X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTP id 4219126 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:41:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30113F025AFCDMAIL06FCDATA_" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:40:58 +0000 From: Chris Barber In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30113F025A@FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from fcd-mail06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([2002:404:40b::404:40b]) byFCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([2002:404:40b::404:40b]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Apr2010 16:40:59 -0500 References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements Thread-Index: AQHK2mTvYa2RtSEDDk6tKNY5+D722pIfWmco Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Modus-SURBL: =OK X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30113F025AFCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last I heard the engine started in the $60's. I really just don't unde= rstand this mentality....perhaps very good engineers with maybe too much pr= ide in their work not understanding the market and/or marketing. Perhaps i= nvestors expecting too much too soon. While I understand they must make a r= eturn on the investment, they should not expect to get it all back in only = a few sales (yeah, I know it takes more than that). However, they have, IM= AO, alienated what could be a primary market. Seems they could sell (possi= ble with Mazda parts to the non certified experimental market) a decent num= ber at a price in the teens, get some flying and proven. I fear that they will not survive with this kind of pricing and the common = aviator will see it as a failure of the rotary and not, again, IMAO, a bad = business plan. I have followed Mistral and cringed with most of the compan= y announcements. Delays, price hikes, staffing cut backs, etc. I know it = is common in this kind of industry, but it seems they do not learn from tho= se that have gone before. Pity. I am grateful that I was able to get their intake but I think it was just l= ucky timing that we actually got one. FWIW. All the best, Chris Barber Houston, GSOT ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Thomas Mann [tmann@n200lz.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:22 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements =85.. think higher. From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:19 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements ... and is expected to sell for ??? $40-50K ________________________________ From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:19:00 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] "Mistral" Advancements Perhaps of interest to the more well heeled of our little Rotary Group!!...= ....... Mistral Moves Toward Certification Of 300HP Multi-Fuel Rotary Engine Taking Pre-Orders For Experimental Engine Series Mistral Engines has announced that the company has made significant advancements in its efforts to receive the FAA certification for its all-new, 300 horsepower, G-300 rotary aircraft engine. "We are extremely pleased with the progress that our engineering and development team has made in recent months on the G-300 engine," said Philippe Durr, CEO, Mistral Engines. "We have the engine mounted on a Maule MX-7 flight test aircraft and it is currently undergoing ground power tests at our U.S. base in DeLand, Florida." Durr also stated that, along with the pending flight tests, the company's engineering team is on the verge of successfully finishing structural testing in the US. The company is also testing extensively its proprietary Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC) system achieving very positive results so far. Engine endurance tests are also scheduled to begin in the third-quarter of this year. The normally aspirated Mistral G-300 is a revolutionary three rotor engine that is intended to bridge the performance, reliability and cost gap between current piston and turbine engines. The company says that the new engine series "will deliver a responsible solution to the environmental, social and economic challenges faced by general aviation in the 21st century." The company reports it is seeing significant interest from aircraft, helicopter and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) manufacturers around the world. "Because of our confidence that we will receive FAA type certification for the G-300 within the year, we will be accepting advanced delivery pre-orders for the experimental version of both the G-200 and G-300 engines beginning at AERO Friedrichshafen," Durr said. "We are already in active talks with a number of world-class aircraft overhaul facilities about obtaining FAA Supplemental Type Certificates (STC's) for our engines on popular general aviation aircraft." The company has also announced a strong presence at European and U.S. trade shows for 2010. The Mistral Engines will have its innovative rotary aircraft engines on display at AERO in Friedrichshafen, EBACE in Geneva, EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh and AOPA Aviation Summit. FMI: www.mistral-engines.com -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D30113F025AFCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The last I heard the engine started in the $60's.&n= bsp; I really just don't understand this mentality....perhaps very good eng= ineers with maybe too much pride in their work not understanding the market= and/or marketing.  Perhaps investors expecting too much too soon. While I understand they must make a return = on the investment, they should not expect to get it all back in only a= few sales (yeah, I know it takes more than that).  However, they have= , IMAO, alienated what could be a primary market.  Seems they could sell (possible with Mazda parts to the non = certified experimental market) a decent number at a price in the teens, get= some flying and proven.
 
I fear that they will not survive with this kind of pricing and the co= mmon aviator will see it as a failure of the rotary and not, again, IMAO, a= bad business plan.  I have followed Mistral and cringed with mos= t of the company announcements.  Delays, price hikes, staffing cut backs, etc.  I know it is common in th= is kind of industry, but it seems they do not learn from those that have go= ne before. Pity.
 
I am grateful that I was able to get their intake but I think it was j= ust lucky timing that we actually got one.
 
FWIW.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of Thomas Mann [tmann@n200lz.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:22 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements

=85.. think higher.

&nb= sp;

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements

 

... and is expected to sell for ???  $40-50K

 

From: Kelly Troyer <= ;keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:19:00 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] "Mistral" Advancements

Perhaps of interest to the more well heeled of our l= ittle Rotary Group!!..........

 


Mistral Moves Toward Certification Of 300HP Multi-Fuel Rotary Engin= e Taking
Pre-Orders For Experimental Engine Series

Mistral Engines has announced that the company has made significant advancements in its efforts to receive the FAA
certification for its all-new, 300 horsepower, G-300 rotary
aircraft engine.

"We are extremely pleased with the progress that our =
engineering and development team has made in recent months on the <= /strong>
G-300 engine," said Philippe Durr, CEO, Mistral Engines.
"We have the engine mounted on a Maule MX-7 flight test
aircraft and it is currently undergoing ground power tests at our <= /strong>
U.S. base in DeLand, Florida."

Durr also stated that, along with the pending flight tests, the
company's engineering team is on the verge of successfully
finishing structural testing in the US. The company is also testing=
extensively its proprietary Full Authority Digital Engine Control <= /strong>
(FADEC) system achieving very positive results so far. Engine
endurance tests are also scheduled to begin in the third-quarter of=
this year.

The normally aspirated Mistral G-300 is a revolutionary three
rotor engine that is intended to bridge the performance, <= br> reliability and cost gap between current piston and turbine
engines. The company says that the new engine series "will
deliver a responsible solution to the environmental, social and
economic challenges faced by general aviation in the 21st =
century."

The company reports it is seeing significant interest from
aircraft, helicopter and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) manufacturers around the world. "Because of our confidence
that we will receive FAA type certification for the G-300 within
the year, we will be accepting advanced delivery pre-orders for the=
experimental version of both the G-200 and G-300 engines beginning =
at AERO Friedrichshafen," Durr said. "We are already in <= /strong>
active talks with a number of world-class aircraft overhaul
facilities about obtaining FAA Supplemental Type Certificates
(STC's) for our engines on popular general aviation
aircraft."

The company has also announced a strong presence at European and
U.S. trade shows for 2010. The Mistral Engines will have its
innovative rotary aircraft engines on display at AERO in <= br> Friedrichshafen, EBACE in Geneva, EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh and
AOPA Aviation Summit.
FMI: www.mistral-engines.com

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold


 

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