Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #50726
From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: More tuning
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:24:45 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Chris,
Did you do any measurements when you got it - it is a nice piece of work IMHO.
George (down under) 
Just a data point....I have the Mistral intake if anyone wants to take a gander at it and try to gather ideas for their own.  Of course, it is installed and I am about ready to crank it all up following some concentration in other areas for a while.  But you are welcome to look.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Lynn Hanover [lehanover@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:12 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] More tuning

 A coupleof sharp motor tuners and a day or so on a good repeatable dyno can zero in on acceptable intake design that should set a good baseline for what really works. You can sliderule / use fancy computer programs and other methods of determining optimum designs but nothing trumps real time data in a running engine. Just my .02 cents worth.
 
Ben Haas
 
Oh, to have my own dyno again.
 
The point was that there are many rotary engines to think about. Now days you probably have a 13B side intake port, periphery exhaust, or the now common Renesis with side intake and exhaust. And now converting both styles to a home made periphery intake. Neither exsists in nature, so you may well be on your own tuning wise.
 
Stick to the basics. Velocities reversions, harmonics DIE, radius, Mach numbers.  As in radio wave reception, you are probably operating in the 1/4 wave regeion. Remember the thing you built in the attic to get killer reception on the black and white TV? The lower channel numbers had such a long wave length that it took a big attic to hang just a 1/4 wave length antenna.  And the UHF antenna was just a loop with barely 12" of wire involved.
 
Remember the Cross Ram Dodges, with 4 barrel carbs hanging outboard of the rocker covers. 460 foot pounds of torque. The runners were at least 4 times the length of the dual plane regular manifold.
 
So was the cross ram the full tuned length and the regular street manifold runners were the 1/4 wave length? Or was the cross ram the half wave length? Usually the best harmonic peaks will be divisable by 4.
 
So all of this harmonic, standing wave, pulse tuning stuff applies to one dynamic situation based on that engine RPM. Change the RPM and everything else changes too. There is nothing static about airplane engines. So the best guess is to get it close to cruise RPM and then tune the daylights out of it. The airplane is a kind of dyno. It provides a variable load. The engine controller provides the tuning capability. Every flight can be used to recover usefull data.
 
Use the SAE tables to return all data to the SAE standard day at sea level. Make only one change per test. Record everything. Keep the records.
 
Or, just copy the Mistral intake.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
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