X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4127884 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:20:16 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B078173AB9 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:19:34 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 4328BBEC066 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:19:27 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:19:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAAFFD.BDFC5DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100216-1, 02/16/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAAFFD.BDFC5DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, What was the length - do you remember. George (down under) Bill, It's been over a year since I studied the Renesis intake but this is = what I remember. The lowest rotary valve in the Renesis intake shuts off the secondarie = intakes at low rpm. It is full open for high rpms. The next rotary = valve connects the combined primary and secondary intakes from rotor #1 = to the primary and secondary's of rotor #2 at high rpms. With the = engine running at high rpm and with both valves open the DIE can work. = The DIE path length is from one rotor intake valve (at the rotor face) = up to and thru the second or upper rotating valve (in the open position) = and back down the other intake tube to the other rotor valve face. Hope this makes sence! Dennis H. Bryan Winberry wrote: Yes George, I was referring to the Renesis manifold. Specifically = though, I was talking about the valve that produces the D.I.E. effect. =20 What a terrible acronym. BW -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:28 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: = N.A. Renesis to turbo Bryan, I'm hearing you, I guess you mean the Renesis manifold. Maybe = someone can duplicate that in carbon fiber, in a more compact form. I = know - another job for Bill Jepson. George (down under) George, It's a shame that the stock intake that does all this using a = valve, can't be used in our application. Bryan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:54 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was = Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Bryan, I missed where the 43" came from, however from my calculations for = 44mm inlet tube, my calculations came to 21.36". That's for a straight = tube inlet manifold. That's interesting isn't it. George (down under) This is hard for me to visualize as well. Perhaps if you get a = chance, you could snap a picture from the top. Did you get 43 in. from #1 secondary to #2 secondary? Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:29 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was = Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Dennis, I just looked at your picture again.the secondary look much = longer than the primaries. It may be an optical illusion??? I bet you = mean 1 1/8 id?? Bill B=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Haverlah Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:03 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was = Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo All my tubes are the same length and the same diameters. I can = check but I think they were 1 1/4 id. and 1 1/4 od. Bill Bradburry wrote: Dennis, Aren't your primary and secondary tubes different lengths from = rotor face to rotor face? If so, what are the two lengths? Are they = different diameters? Bill B ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CAAFFD.BDFC5DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Dennis,
What was the length - do you = remember.
George (down under)
Bill,
It's=20 been over a year since I studied the Renesis intake but this is what I = remember.

The lowest rotary valve in the Renesis intake shuts = off the=20 secondarie intakes at low rpm.  It is full open for high rpms. = The next=20 rotary valve connects the combined primary and secondary intakes = from rotor=20 #1 to the primary and secondary's of rotor #2 at high rpms.  = With the=20 engine running at high rpm and with both valves open the DIE can = work. =20 The DIE path length is from one rotor intake valve (at the rotor = face) =20 up to and thru the second or upper rotating valve (in the open = position) and=20 back down the other intake tube to the other rotor valve = face.

Hope=20 this makes sence!

Dennis H.

Bryan Winberry wrote:

Yes = George, I was=20 referring to the Renesis manifold.  Specifically though, I was = talking=20 about the valve that produces the D.I.E. effect.=20  

What a = terrible=20 acronym.

BW

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net]=20 On Behalf Of George=20 Lendich
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 February 16, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm = vs Power=20 was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to = turbo

Bryan,

I'm = hearing=20 you, I guess you mean the Renesis manifold. Maybe someone can = duplicate that=20 in carbon fiber, in a more compact form. I know - another job = for Bill=20 Jepson.

George (down=20 under)

George,

It=92s = a shame that=20 the stock intake that does all this using a valve, can=92t be used = in our=20 application.

Bryan

From: = Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net]=20 On Behalf Of = George=20 Lendich
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 February 16, 2010 3:54 AM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power=20 was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to = turbo

Bryan,

I = missed=20 where the 43" came from, however from my calculations for 44mm = inlet tube,=20 my calculations came to 21.36". That's for a straight tube inlet = manifold.=20 That's interesting isn't it.

George=20 (down under)

This = is hard=20 for me to visualize as well.  Perhaps if you get a chance, = you=20 could snap a picture from the top.

Did = you get 43=20 in. from #1 secondary to #2 = secondary?

Bryan

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net]=20 On Behalf Of = Bill=20 Bradburry
Sent: Monday,=20 February 15, 2010 11:29 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs=20 Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to=20 turbo

Dennis,

I just looked at your picture = again=85the=20 secondary look much longer than the primaries.  It may be = an=20 optical illusion???  I bet you mean 1 1/8=20 id??

Bill = B 

From:=20 Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net]=20 On Behalf Of = Dennis=20 Haverlah
Sent: Monday,=20 February 15, 2010 11:03 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs=20 Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to=20 turbo

All my tubes are the same length and = the same=20 diameters.  I can check but I think they were 1 1/4 id. and = 1 1/4=20 od.

Bill Bradburry wrote:

Denn= is,

Aren=92t your primary and secondary = tubes=20 different lengths from rotor face to rotor face?   If = so, what=20 are the two lengths?  Are they different=20 diameters?

Bill = B

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