X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([66.196.96.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with SMTP id 4127482 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:15:54 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.196.96.86; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 55755 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2010 01:15:18 -0000 Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.56.190 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2010 17:15:17 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: mdRnXhUVM1lV6Xl2J2ROjG3g2C9G0GJFK8ljRALdFflRDwBEqEHSdkmOXeAyPR2fGQ23XQVt0IiH4Nh7GtaWHsUTWaCBTmp4SHVKDvNEEs444QcykCfwcRtCS8l7LZQyB6KMIPaTO4sj5jQetec55YLJWpk0ia0bE0P4xZcTJkAFtTo70LN0hOWKsXBwGTNBSUP3C9tCoMLhHsA9qQf9nBr7kA_8oD1KgrSYoL44pMwcTSvUZTVFeDjaZXuNS8HtDip6TsX03tAikXsfoCqybavU6xSdirk1rL7xB8rfpMtLcEFXUZZ.3y5yrqN3JfFpBzdT.CwhsYRcrBvWvpDem8HNg5FJYHv.4SWetvlSzhCCMR.rHc9f71sGOZalg.vTD0ocsJI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] DIE DEI: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CAAF44.C10AFC40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqvZ+8EmziSCsg5QGeT9StJgXiAawABnO5g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CAAF44.C10AFC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed, Not be outdone, Mazda calls it - Sequential Dynamic Air Intake System or S-DAIS. Now there's a harmless acronym if I've ever seen one. Not anywhere close to death. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:31 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] DIE DEI: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Bryan, if it makes you feel any better, the correct name for the DIE effect is Dynamic Effect Intake or (DEI) - but the other acronym (DIE) is easier to remember for some reason {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:24 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Yes George, I was referring to the Renesis manifold. Specifically though, I was talking about the valve that produces the D.I.E. effect. What a terrible acronym. BW _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:28 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Bryan, I'm hearing you, I guess you mean the Renesis manifold. Maybe someone can duplicate that in carbon fiber, in a more compact form. I know - another job for Bill Jepson. George (down under) George, It's a shame that the stock intake that does all this using a valve, can't be used in our application. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:54 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Bryan, I missed where the 43" came from, however from my calculations for 44mm inlet tube, my calculations came to 21.36". That's for a straight tube inlet manifold. That's interesting isn't it. George (down under) This is hard for me to visualize as well. Perhaps if you get a chance, you could snap a picture from the top. Did you get 43 in. from #1 secondary to #2 secondary? Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:29 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo Dennis, I just looked at your picture again.the secondary look much longer than the primaries. It may be an optical illusion??? I bet you mean 1 1/8 id?? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Haverlah Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:03 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo All my tubes are the same length and the same diameters. I can check but I think they were 1 1/4 id. and 1 1/4 od. Bill Bradburry wrote: Dennis, Aren't your primary and secondary tubes different lengths from rotor face to rotor face? If so, what are the two lengths? Are they different diameters? Bill B _____ _____ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CAAF44.C10AFC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ed,

Not be outdone, Mazda calls it = – Sequential Dynamic Air Intake System or = S-DAIS.

Now there’s a harmless = acronym if I’ve ever seen one.  Not anywhere close to = death.

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, February = 16, 2010 7:31 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] DIE = DEI: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis = to turbo

 

Bryan, if it makes you feel any better, the correct name for the = DIE effect is Dynamic Effect Intake or (DEI) – but the other acronym = (DIE) is easier to remember for some reason {:>)

 

Ed

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry
Sent: Tuesday, February = 16, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo

 

Yes George, I was referring to the = Renesis manifold.  Specifically though, I was talking about the valve that produces the D.I.E. effect.  

What a terrible = acronym.

BW

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Tuesday, February = 16, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to = turbo

 

Bryan,

I'm hearing you, I guess you = mean the Renesis manifold. Maybe someone can duplicate that in carbon fiber, = in a more compact form. I know - another job for Bill = Jepson.

George (down = under)

George,

=

It’s a shame that the stock = intake that does all this using a valve, can’t be used in our = application.

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich
Sent: Tuesday, February = 16, 2010 3:54 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo

 

Bryan,

I missed where the 43" = came from, however from my calculations for 44mm inlet tube, my calculations = came to 21.36". That's for a straight tube inlet manifold. That's = interesting isn't it.

George (down = under)

This is hard for me to visualize as = well.  Perhaps if you get a chance, you could snap a picture from the = top.

Did you get 43 in. from #1 = secondary to #2 secondary?

Bryan

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Monday, February = 15, 2010 11:29 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to = turbo

 

Dennis,

I just looked at your picture again…the secondary look much longer than the primaries.  It may be an = optical illusion???  I bet you mean 1 1/8 id??

Bill B 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Haverlah
Sent: Monday, February = 15, 2010 11:03 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to = turbo

All my tubes = are the same length and the same diameters.  I can check but I think they were 1 = 1/4 id. and 1 1/4 od.

Bill Bradburry wrote:

Denn= is,

Aren’t your primary and secondary tubes different lengths from rotor face to rotor face?   If so, what = are the two lengths?  Are they different = diameters?

Bill B

 

 

 



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