Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49409
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: one Valve? [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:27:00 -0500
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

 

I have a small oil cooler core and one of those inexpensive Pie pan blowers as my heating system.  Back over 15 years ago when I designed it, I put a shut off valve in case should there ever be a leak.

 

A few years later (it takes a while)  it dawn on me that you need two shut off valves  or a shut off and a no-back-flow (check value)  value.  The reason is, of course, the coolant can come in through either the input or outgo lines as the coolant system is under pressure.  It is probably under a bit more pressure or less depending on where you take it from and return it to in your coolant system.  But, unless you put the return line into the top of your header tank (or someplace  where there is normally air), a leak in your coolant system is going to leak if you only have one shut off valve.  I believe you really need two shut offs  OR one capable of shutting off both lines.

 

FWIW

 

Ed


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:43 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

Hey Al;

I have had that same suggestion made to me, but to make sure there is a valve, readily accessible to shut it off if it leaks, makes sense.

G.

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Gietzen

Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:25 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:32 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

Hey Mark;

We've been looking at the same things with our install.  We talked to our exhaust guy, and he feels that with the exhaust temps that these rotaries have, that it might not be a good idea, (the muff).  Next step was hot water, plumbing, and a heater core inside some where, which was sort of a negative idea.  We kept all of our cooling lines exterior, so that a coolant leak wouldn't happen inside at about 10K feet, and 200+ knots, not a good scenario.  J.C. Whitney has a small electric heater that has some possibilities, so we are looking into that and some other ideas.

Greg Ward

Greg;

 

Having studied that option in the past; I’d suggest you save your time – unless you want to add another alternator.  For effective heating you’re going to need more than 1000 watts.  For a 14 volt system that’s over 70+ amps.

 

I don’t consider it a risk to run some relatively small diameter, high quality, heater hose (5/8”) into the cabin to a small heater core.  I have a 7” x 7” heater core, and it puts out at least 1500 watts, or more. See Mcmaster-Carr silicone hose, part #5296K12.  Pressure test your system each annual to about 35 psi.

 

Al G

 

 



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