X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net ([68.230.241.39] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4024600 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:38 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.39; envelope-from=glasair2@me.com Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091216231804.XAA20722.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.201] ([70.177.24.126]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HzJ41d00D2jEC4N03zJ4qg; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:04 -0500 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=dPH3qklg8Vic3E1mcpSlAaa4ZLB04ixhaZIb8bf8Di4= c=1 sm=1 a=pBJaijYgyVIA:10 a=f32ykCDtWUuHg+z19x9HKQ==:17 a=wxfBf5snAAAA:8 a=7CdzajmAAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=cz7CWNrr0RW1du7_m68A:9 a=xaAcZOg9fJCxkbUt0NMA:7 a=K2wfjcnjJiC4IF9OWxqwjua7UB4A:4 a=oUOfL9nQjOgA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=Dz74YRwiJA0Xfmgq:21 a=GswrwrotOl4EoPvp:21 a=tjRfON5P1pb4CzLNbXsA:9 a=aWzauUVwdBqLSupCHCgA:7 a=y-IZn_S68LZarDJ9cpiPFnHt-zEA:4 a=ly7NsUwSpQgA:10 a=f32ykCDtWUuHg+z19x9HKQ==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: Steve Thomas Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-149--769557283 Subject: Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:18:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) --Apple-Mail-149--769557283 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Also, Ed Klepeis of Tech Welding makes an integrated heater core and = fan. Go to techwelding.com and click on Products, then Custom Items. = Comes complete with 3 speed switch. =20 Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bryan Winberry wrote: > Sorry, I was lazy. Here=92s the link: > =20 > = http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Subarubased%20Aircraft%20Engines/_Heat= er.htm > =20 > BW > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:15 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler) > =20 > Al, Do you know what the 7 X 7 heater core came out of?? > =20 > Bill B=20 > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Al Gietzen > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:26 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler) >=20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Greg Ward > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:32 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler) > =20 > Hey Mark; > We've been looking at the same things with our install. We talked to = our exhaust guy, and he feels that with the exhaust temps that these = rotaries have, that it might not be a good idea, (the muff). Next step = was hot water, plumbing, and a heater core inside some where, which was = sort of a negative idea. We kept all of our cooling lines exterior, so = that a coolant leak wouldn't happen inside at about 10K feet, and 200+ = knots, not a good scenario. J.C. Whitney has a small electric heater = that has some possibilities, so we are looking into that and some other = ideas. > Greg Ward > Greg; > =20 > Having studied that option in the past; I=92d suggest you save your = time =96 unless you want to add another alternator. For effective = heating you=92re going to need more than 1000 watts. For a 14 volt = system that=92s over 70+ amps. > =20 > I don=92t consider it a risk to run some relatively small diameter, = high quality, heater hose (5/8=94) into the cabin to a small heater = core. I have a 7=94 x 7=94 heater core, and it puts out at least 1500 = watts, or more. See Mcmaster-Carr silicone hose, part #5296K12. = Pressure test your system each annual to about 35 psi. > =20 > Al G > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-149--769557283 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Also, = Ed Klepeis of Tech Welding makes an integrated heater core and fan. =  Go to techwelding.com and = click on Products, then Custom Items.  Comes complete with 3 speed = switch.    

Best Regards,

Steve = Thomas




=

On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bryan Winberry = wrote:

Sorry, I was lazy.  Here=92s = the link:

 

http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/Subarubased%20Aircraft= %20Engines/_Heater.htm

 

BW =

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Wednesday, December = 16, 2009 4:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

Al, Do you know what the 7 X 7 heater core came out = of??

 

Bill B 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, December = 16, 2009 2:26 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Wednesday, December = 16, 2009 10:32 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Cabin Heat (Was Oil Cooler)

 

Hey Mark;

We've been looking at the same things with our = install.  We talked to our exhaust guy, and he feels that with the exhaust temps that = these rotaries have, that it might not be a good idea, (the muff).  Next = step was hot water, plumbing, and a heater core inside some where, which was = sort of a negative idea.  We kept all of our cooling lines exterior, so = that a coolant leak wouldn't happen inside at about 10K feet, and 200+ knots, = not a good scenario.  J.C. Whitney has a small electric heater that has = some possibilities, so we are looking into that and some other = ideas.

Greg Ward<= /p>

Greg;

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Having studied that option in the = past; I=92d suggest you save your time =96 unless you want to add another alternator.  For effective heating you=92re going to need more than 1000 watts.  For a 14 volt system that=92s over 70+ = amps.

 

I don=92t consider it a risk to = run some relatively small diameter, high quality, heater hose (5/8=94) into = the cabin to a small heater core.  I have a 7=94 x 7=94 heater core, and it puts out at least 1500 watts, or more. See Mcmaster-Carr silicone = hose, part #5296K12.  Pressure test your system each annual to about 35 = psi.

 

Al = G

 

 


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