X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from EXHUB003-4.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.111] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTPS id 4019889 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:19:51 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.5.74.111; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com Received: from EXVMBX003-5.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.45]) by EXHUB003-4.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.111]) with mapi; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:19:08 -0800 From: Jeff Whaley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:20:13 -0800 Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Oil Cooling Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Oil Cooling Thread-Index: Acp83vUUtDkccHtTTEm+dyLYdZp6kgAAfFog Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0153A4A0F939EXVMBX0035e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0153A4A0F939EXVMBX0035e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Mark, I guess the only other logical reason would be an air-lock caused= by orientation ... but if you've got two exactly the same, that is highly = unlikely. Incidentally, I have two, 6.25"x11"2.75" oil coolers in series - I'm over-c= ooled with 2 but found 1 wasn't enough. JWW From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil Cooling Well guys, here is a new one... at least for me. I've never been able to get my 20B oil temps quite low enough for comfort. = I chaulked most of it up to the high Texas temps and an engine that produc= es gobs of horsepower (just kidding on the "gobs of horsepower" part). I'm= running a 10" x 11" x 2 3/4" Fluidyne dual-pass oil/air cooler and a large= (and heavy) Fluidyne oil/water exchanger. Water temps were fine but the o= il temps would reach 240*-245* on climb, and just barely down to 200* in cr= uise. I tried different plumbing arrangements, added a cowl flap (which he= lped some), etc. Still, the temps didn't want to come down. Well, yesterd= ay I ran the engine with the cowl off (doing some fuel pressure monitoring/= adjusting), and I had just finished getting things up to operating temperat= ure, verified that fuel pressure was good, and then shut it down. I just h= appened to touch the end tank on the Fluidyne oil/air exchanger and to my s= urprise, IT WAS STONE COLD! I touched the other end (inlet/outlet) and it = was HOT! I thought this was odd. The only thing that I could figure is th= at the dual-pass oil cooler was defective. Since the cooler has no thermos= tat, I can only conclude that the internal tank separator, which is how the= y make a single-pass cooler into a dual-pass cooler, was allowing the oil t= o bypass the core and go directly from the inlet to the outlet. Well, no w= onder I can't get the oil temps to come down!!! I replaced the cooler with another unit I had on hand, ran the engine, and = low and behold, both end tanks come up to temp together. I did a couple of= ground runs and themps look encouraging. But unfortunately, it was too la= te to do a test flight yesterday. I'm sure the new cooler will make a big = improvement. I'm hoping it will be enough to permit me to remove the oil/wa= ter exchanger. Moral of the story... DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED! TRUST BUT VERIFY!!! Mark S. Lancair ES/20B --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0153A4A0F939EXVMBX0035e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Mark, I guess the only other logical reason would be an air-lock caused by orientation … but if you’ve got two exactly = the same, that is highly unlikely.

Incidentally, I have two, 6.25”x11”2.75” o= il coolers in series – I’m over-cooled with 2 but found 1 wasnR= 17;t enough.

JWW

 

From: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Stei= tle
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Oil Cooling

 

Well guys, here is a new one... at least for me. =

 

I've never been able to get my 20B oil temps quit= e low enough for comfort.  I chaulked most of it up to t= he high Texas temps and an engine that produces gobs of horsepower (just kiddi= ng on the "gobs of horsepower" part).  I'm running a 10&qu= ot; x 11" x 2 3/4" Fluidyne dual-pass oil/air cooler and a large (and heavy) Fluidyne oil/water exchanger.  Water temps were fine but the oil temps would reach 240*-245* on climb, and just barely down= to 200* in cruise.  I tried different plumbing arrangements, added a cowl= flap (which helped some), etc.  Still, the temps didn't want to come down.  Well, yesterday I ran the engine with the cowl off (d= oing some fuel pressure monitoring/adjusting), and I had just finished gett= ing things up to operating temperature, verified that fuel pressure was good, and then shut it down.  I just happened to touch the e= nd tank on the Fluidyne oil/air exchanger and to my surprise, IT WAS STON= E COLD!  I touched the other end (inlet/outlet) and it was HOT!&nbs= p; I thought this was odd.  The only thing that I could figure is that= the dual-pass oil cooler was defective.  Since the cooler has no thermosta= t, I can only conclude that the internal tank separator, which is how they make a single-pass cooler into a dual-pass cooler, was = allowing the oil to bypass the core and go directly from the inlet to= the outlet.  Well, no wonder I can't get the oil temps to come down!!!  

 

I replaced the cooler with another unit I had on = hand, ran the engine, and low and behold, both end tanks come up to temp together.  I did a couple of ground runs and themps look encouraging.  But unfortunately, it was too late to do = a test flight yesterday.  I'm sure the new cooler will make a = big improvement. I'm hoping it will be enough to permit me to remove = the oil/water exchanger.  

 

Moral of the story... DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED!=   TRUST BUT VERIFY!!!

 

Mark S.

Lancair ES/20B

 

      

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