X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with ESMTP id 3987458 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:44:29 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2711739B3 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:43:48 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id ADC67BEC00D for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:43:45 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <329D729F85D143EE8744D45CA3A94ACB@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Need a sanity check Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:43:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091123-1, 11/23/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Steve, I had a similar problem on a motorbike and it turned out to be a broken earth cable and it worked intermittently, couldn't see the break because of the sheath /cover. George ( down under) >I have been working on an issue for three weeks now, with very intermittent >spark when cranking the engine. Needless to say, it won't start either. > I have a spark plug out of each rotor, and have them clamped to a good > ground, so that I can see a spark on the front and rear rotor. > If i rotate the CAS by hand, or turn the prop by hand, I get good spark. > When cranking with the starter, I get an initial spark, and then an > occasional spark on the front or rear rotor. Interesting, when I let off > the starter, I get a couple of good sparks as it coasts to a stop. Both > controllers do the same thing BTW. > > I had emailed Tracy, as at one time I thought that the EC-2 had an issue. > Tracy said that he had seen this symptom a couple of times before, and it > is caused by noise from the starter interfering with the CAS signal. He > suggested that I install a 1K resistor across each of the crank angle > sensors. I installed the resistors, but it did not cure the problem. > > This morning, determined to get to the bottom of this, I removed the > battery cable running to the starter, and using a spare battery, and a > jumper cable for the ground, I cranked the starter with this battery, > which was isolated from the airplanes electrical system. It had good > spark on both rotors .... yeah !!! > > So then, I decided to reroute the starter cable on the other side of the > engine, which keeps it away from the other wiring. I hooked it back up to > the aircraft battery, crossed my fingers and cranked the started. Same > problem. I thought that perhaps the noise was getting into the EC-2, so > I put the spare battery in the back seat (pusher aircraft), and using some > jumper clips, I hooked the EC-2 through a fuse to the isolated battery. > Same problem. > > I had extended the CAS wiring when I replaced the engine, so I decided to > reroute the shielded CAS wiring, so that I could eliminate the unshielded > wires, which were about 12" long. Same problem. > > I am struggling with what to try next. This problem started before I > swapped the engine, as it was very hard to get started, though for three > years prior to that, I had no issues, and it started easily. > > Has anyone else seen this type of problem, or have any suggestions ? > > Steve Brooks > Cozy MKIV 13BT > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >