Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49185
From: Dave <david.staten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: No start
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:53:38 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
When I ran cabling for Chris's project, I grounded the #2 wire to the aluminum PSRU housing, secured with the starter's mounting bolt.

Eliminates the middleman completely.

The only things grounded on the block are the temp probes, everything else has a wire going to a grounding stud and then back to the battery. Eliminates ground loops. He has a glass airplane so we were meticulous about current and return paths.

Dave

.Mark Steitle wrote:
Steve,
 
I read your other post on what you discovered regarding your bad ground.  I wonder how many of us have our engine grounds tied to a bolt near the front cover or end housing?  (Mine does...)
 
Mark S.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Steve Brooks <cozy4pilot@gmail.com <mailto:cozy4pilot@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Mark,
    I am thinking about just running all but the starter off of the
    forward battery.  Since I have two batteries, it is a relatively
    easy fix.  It still bugs me, what has changed.
    Steve

    Mark Steitle wrote:

        Steve,
         Early on with my project, I was beginning to start/run the
        engine.  I quickly discovered that sometimes it would start,
        and sometimes it wouldn't.  If the battery voltage dropped to
        some unknown voltage the engine would not start, even though
        it would continue to crank (although slower than normal).  I
        didn't have a working charging system at the time, so the
        battery would get weaker and weaker as I continued down this
        road.  At the time I was using a 12v Panasonic emergency
        backup supply battery.  It didn't have the CCA to do more than
        one or two cranks before the voltage dropped too low to
        possibly start the engine.  I must have damaged the battery in
        the process as a new battery solved the problem.  You stated
        that you installed a new battery, but you didn't state if you
        charged it up before trying to start your engine.  I suggest
        you 1) charge the new battery to 100%, 2) hook up the starter
        to a spare battery for cranking.  Personally, I think this
        makes a good case for going with a 24v system.  Mark S.
         
         On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Steven W. Boese
        <SBoese@uwyo.edu <mailto:SBoese@uwyo.edu>
        <mailto:SBoese@uwyo.edu <mailto:SBoese@uwyo.edu>>> wrote:

           Steve,

           I was able to produce symptoms similar to what you describe by
           inserting a 1.5 V flashlight battery into the CAS return
        wire such
           that the CAS end of the wire was 1.5 V more negative than
        the CAS
           return wire going to the EC2:
           CAS ----- battery ++++ EC2

           The opposite polarity didn't cause problems.  With the battery
           installed, there are one or two sparks when starting to
        turn the
           CAS and then no more sparks until the CAS sensor is turning
           significantly faster than would be the case when turning the
           engine with the starter.

           It seems that you may have the CAS return grounded in
        addition to
           the connection to the EC2.  If this is the case, then the
        voltage
           drop from the starter current may shift the CAS return voltage
           similar to what I did with the test setup.  If I disconnect the
           CAS from the EC2 at the EC2 connector, all the CAS wires show
           infinite resistance to ground.  It might be useful to see
        if your
           wiring is similar.

           Steve Boese



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