X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with ESMTP id 3984786 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:21:21 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.92.27; envelope-from=cozy4pilot@gmail.com Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so891979qwb.25 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:20:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eAVUP812ezn+ysfvw/CT4yjVCKa3PcIfS+HPxfn6rlA=; b=l4CqxE5MSEnqYkjmkWg1AhJfBa4qBy8Vij5scgS44R3xBjWmO82MRUnOf0Ybebqb6x b91o+O6LcCAgOvNk8oq8N1lIdJeWagnuMRINHlbCoe4ym1M/EdCF3o+hqTS5zQOTtE5w cWjzGXXMy5/TFbEFHMxPq2u8R5Fd8VCsVXhXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H4fAXoCFWP79O5HS31PvEXMCUZ6UVQlXyessmlDixmlm78+UlK/nAft3Kzjk3XXfqu HBjcGFTpT1rtIAsErKrD95vYPQR9zyZbMVmnMrTXDtjftSLvoQ8WXXV6Wx+rMLmAzGWj hFgytmt8/EuhOdQB8ITpvQ6nrNJqMYi8foObU= Received: by 10.224.110.71 with SMTP id m7mr1517226qap.127.1258824044930; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:20:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.102? (nc-71-49-37-191.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [71.49.37.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm7519621qwe.35.2009.11.21.09.20.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:20:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B082165.2070100@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:20:37 -0500 From: Steve Brooks User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] No start References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may be onto something. I measured the voltage while cranking, and the drop didn't seem to be bad, but if the EC-2 or the ignition coils are on the edge voltage wise, that may be enough to cause the issue. I am using an Odyssey PC680 battery, and in fact, I bought a new one, and installed it last night thinking that perhaps there was an issue with the battery. The one I replaced was about three years old. Same issue on the new battery though. Bobby Hughes suggested that I power the coils, injectors, etc, along with the EC-2 on the spare test battery. I am going to try that after lunch, so if that works, it very well be a voltage issue. Steve Lynn Hanover wrote: > Steve, > > I removed the battery cable running to the starter, and using a spare > battery, and a jumper cable for the ground, I cranked the starter with > this battery, which was isolated from the airplanes electrical system. > It had good spark on both rotors .... yeah !!! > > It still sounds like low battery voltage during cranking. > > There is a minimum voltage below which some components will no longer > function. A volt meter on the battery during cranking would give you > the actual voltage available to run the electronics. Starters can draw > over 100 amps during cranking. Quite a load for a small battery. The > race car will start about 4 times on the little garden tractor > battery. Then nothing. So we start up with a big group 24 paste > battery with an aircraft style plug in cable made of welding wires. > That jump battery is in parallel with the tractor battery as well so > we charge the racer and the jump battery by leavng the tractor running. > > Lynn E. Hanover