X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-qy0-f174.google.com ([209.85.221.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with ESMTP id 3984750 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:50:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.221.174; envelope-from=cozy4pilot@gmail.com Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so916447qyk.7 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:49:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=67uiXPBuvZYZkkJ4J3DHUGSdCjdPoRxAtnUxhW2lAdA=; b=Cyb1qlEkK16nXYBcu92yuHJZp/Mjg28Stce/+FkBgeMNGXS6Lx8lmvP+2kzFH6lgu8 b1BEFiVRzmY/JQesjKavkmRcTI8cS4nUSMusUIDNo8StsL5+2p44GnmJXJK2+cjGKZmb Gs4wqG6T+Bo1WsH5jAU3O1LgqtoMsbp0DRR3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GQ6+NA1nkmUZ+Px9R+ztbKDpkfJjGh8zS+br7Z+eRGvSFIi4LSIARmGELbOFlnXFc0 Gk7rd4B1VfkJKBJc5XYJwIMRXYOwU3v/jwmlWgUfjX8nYKZ/XIOY6Ol4N29JxMWhDDUY G6pUIydXb/s5rRF7ruM4J4e+WRadEmrqIUy/g= Received: by 10.224.7.130 with SMTP id d2mr1479840qad.217.1258818595255; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:49:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.102? (nc-71-49-37-191.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [71.49.37.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5819187qwb.22.2009.11.21.07.49.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:49:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B080C1C.2020103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:49:48 -0500 From: Steve Brooks User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Need a sanity check Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been working on an issue for three weeks now, with very intermittent spark when cranking the engine. Needless to say, it won't start either. I have a spark plug out of each rotor, and have them clamped to a good ground, so that I can see a spark on the front and rear rotor. If i rotate the CAS by hand, or turn the prop by hand, I get good spark. When cranking with the starter, I get an initial spark, and then an occasional spark on the front or rear rotor. Interesting, when I let off the starter, I get a couple of good sparks as it coasts to a stop. Both controllers do the same thing BTW. I had emailed Tracy, as at one time I thought that the EC-2 had an issue. Tracy said that he had seen this symptom a couple of times before, and it is caused by noise from the starter interfering with the CAS signal. He suggested that I install a 1K resistor across each of the crank angle sensors. I installed the resistors, but it did not cure the problem. This morning, determined to get to the bottom of this, I removed the battery cable running to the starter, and using a spare battery, and a jumper cable for the ground, I cranked the starter with this battery, which was isolated from the airplanes electrical system. It had good spark on both rotors .... yeah !!! So then, I decided to reroute the starter cable on the other side of the engine, which keeps it away from the other wiring. I hooked it back up to the aircraft battery, crossed my fingers and cranked the started. Same problem. I thought that perhaps the noise was getting into the EC-2, so I put the spare battery in the back seat (pusher aircraft), and using some jumper clips, I hooked the EC-2 through a fuse to the isolated battery. Same problem. I had extended the CAS wiring when I replaced the engine, so I decided to reroute the shielded CAS wiring, so that I could eliminate the unshielded wires, which were about 12" long. Same problem. I am struggling with what to try next. This problem started before I swapped the engine, as it was very hard to get started, though for three years prior to that, I had no issues, and it started easily. Has anyone else seen this type of problem, or have any suggestions ? Steve Brooks Cozy MKIV 13BT