X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omta3.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with ESMTP id 3984674 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:56:01 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=4.59.182.101; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.167.65.219]) by tormtz03.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091121145525.DICK20666.tormtz03.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:55:25 -0500 Received: from PCdeRita ([142.167.65.219]) by torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with SMTP id <20091121145525.FWVT4776.torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@PCdeRita> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:55:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA6A99.1A9BF750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020201.4B07FF5D.0144,ss=1,fgs=0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA6A99.1A9BF750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Tracy, Now I remember seeing that in the instruction booklet --- Thats what = it was for! oil pressure and others. rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure The EM2 has an alarm light driver in it. Any light up to 12V at 350 = MA can be used. Definitely recommend hooking it up. Tracy Crook On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Rino wrote: Thanks for the response guys! It was an exiting day to say the least. At this time of the year there is not a single boat left on the lake = so it took some time before being rescued. The firemen came and pulled = the plane to a local marina where I cut the hose fixed it and took off = again. I knew that taking off again without checking the engine was = risky but I did not want to leave the plane along the lake for the = winter. I made it ok to the airport, about 10 minutes. The engine = turned by hand and had all the exhaust pulses and it did produced full = power as usual. It was a good takeoff, my first on the water. The oil hose broke at the fitting, (it kind of sheared and pulled = out of the fitting) a mechanic said the outer fitting ferrule might have = been pressed too much and had damaged the hose itself. In any case = this is not the type of hose that should be used on an aircraft. I had = my douts about this type of hose. Unfortunately, I was right. Now, there is another thing about this hose. It is not very far from = the exhaust stack (I will measure the distance). The other hose that = connect there is coverd with a fire sleeve, plus wrapped in foil, = because it is closer to the exhaust stack. I will have to check that = more closely. Did not think of this heat damage possibility before now. Yes the oil pressure warning LED will be there on the instrument = panel the next time the engine start. I have Tracy's EM2 and the pressure display flashes when it is low = but there is nothing like a flashing RED light to attract my attention. Quite a few lessons learned here and probably more are coming up! Back to the hangar! Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure Great flying, Rino!! Dead stick landings (having made three in = my 10 years) always get my heart rate up a notch not to mention = disappearing seat cushions. Fortunately, the rotary has a lot of = bearing area and can survive longer without adequate oil pressure than = most engines =96 but, as Lynn said, tear it down, rebuild it and let us = know what you find. I only use SS braided lines for oil, fuel AND coolant (I know a = bit anal on the coolant lines being capable of handling 750 psi of = coolant pressure), but I have never had a line break =96 yet. Needless to say, glad you made it down to the lake safely and both = you and the aircraft will fly again. Welcome to the club {:>) Ed. =20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA6A99.1A9BF750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks Tracy,
 
Now I remember seeing that in the = instruction=20 booklet   --- Thats what it was for!   oil pressure = and=20 others.
 
rino
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Saturday, November 21, = 2009 10:10=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil=20 Pressure

The EM2 has an alarm light driver in it.  Any = light up to=20 12V at 350 MA can be used.    Definitely recommend hooking = it=20 up.

Tracy Crook

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca> = wrote:
Thanks for the response = guys!
 
It was an exiting day to say the=20 least.
At this time of the year there is = not a single=20 boat left on the lake so it took some time before being = rescued.  The=20 firemen came and pulled the plane to a local marina where I cut = the=20 hose fixed it and took off again.  I knew that taking off again = without=20 checking the engine was risky but I did not want to leave the plane = along=20 the lake for the winter.  I made it ok to the airport, about 10 = minutes.  The engine turned by hand and had all the exhaust = pulses and=20 it did produced full power as usual.   It was a good = takeoff, my=20 first on the water.
 
The oil hose broke at the fitting, = (it kind of=20 sheared and pulled out of the fitting) a mechanic said the outer = fitting=20 ferrule might have been pressed too much and had damaged the hose=20 itself.   In any case this is not the type of hose that = should be=20 used on an aircraft.  I had my douts about this type of = hose. =20 Unfortunately, I was right.
 
Now, there is another thing about = this hose. It=20 is not very far from the exhaust stack (I will measure the = distance). =20 The other hose that connect there is coverd with a fire sleeve, plus = wrapped=20 in foil, because it is closer to the exhaust stack.  I = will have=20 to check that more closely.  Did not think of this heat damage=20 possibility before now.
 
Yes the oil pressure warning LED = will be there=20 on the instrument panel the next time the engine start.
I have Tracy's EM2 and the pressure = display=20 flashes when it is low but there is nothing like a flashing RED = light to=20 attract my attention.
 
Quite a few lessons learned here = and probably=20 more are coming up!
Back to the hangar!
 
Rino
 
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To:=20 Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft Sent:=20 Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:35 AM Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure

Great = flying,=20 Rino!!    Dead stick landings (having made three in = my 10=20 years) always get my heart rate up a notch not to mention = disappearing=20 seat cushions.  Fortunately, the rotary has a lot of bearing = area and=20 can survive longer without adequate oil pressure than most engines = =96 but,=20 as Lynn said, tear it down, rebuild it and let us know what you=20 find.

 

I only = use SS=20 braided lines for oil, fuel AND coolant (I know a bit anal on the = coolant=20 lines being capable of handling 750 psi of coolant pressure), but = I have=20 never had a line break =96 yet.

 

Needless to say,=20 glad you made it down to the lake safely and both you and the = aircraft=20 will fly again.

 

Welcome = to the=20 club {:>)

 

Ed. =20

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A=20 N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com


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