X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com ([74.6.114.33] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with SMTP id 3984677 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:55:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.114.33; envelope-from=admin@haaspowerair.com Received: (qmail 94209 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2009 14:54:54 -0000 Message-ID: <506813.94021.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KuSkpkwVM1lx4uzztTPjzhxLJL0HPfsLUSbTjo53kJk3uHXaIlHPri8mfBO8n7BJenvYRW.ci.f.3yDjjez640eNZbK4UU85wuu84iqdmczN5jAcYjL4NgNJeM3b2C7bjJp6WKW19AUZgkmYovyXA8pamvKuZUcPo_v9kI245gBa_R_PUn7tn0hFNHdj5D3cRjfWMdQbmy4XqDBbWRUxdbSlSRG7d.VACPDMLSnTp5HmIK4_KlMndnuIV7nOwYdXXyxYeznVnRiP.AuDPBwnZIYimpEPvD8pUmt925DL_b6RQY8KkzQ2L5yHvslgWp8ZGlta4ZYnHBdEgWu2LzRul.GCCjNscrxBGotdRbMUimHcb5LedWl2lICvQ4Cw0hs- Received: from [75.174.166.58] by web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:54:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: stephen haas Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-579123011-1258815294=:94021" --0-579123011-1258815294=:94021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Between the time this hose broke and the motor was drained of all the oil y= ou would have thought there would have been. =C2=A0 1- A huge amount of smoke as the oil sprayed on all the hot exhaust surface= s. 2- You would have smelled something. 3- you would have seen the oil pressure gauge=C2=A0numbers falling. =C2=A0 Now if this engine was on a pylon behind the pilot the first two probably w= ould not apply. =C2=A0 You are damn lucky it didn't catch on fire. =C2=A0 Glad it all worked out for you sir. =C2=A0 Just my opinion. =C2=A0 Ben. --- On Sat, 11/21/09, Rino wrote: From: Rino Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 7:04 AM Thanks for the response guys! =C2=A0 It was an exiting day to say the least. At this time of the year there is not a single boat left on the lake so it = took some time before being rescued.=C2=A0 The firemen came and pulled the = plane to a local marina where I=C2=A0cut the hose fixed it and took off aga= in.=C2=A0 I knew that taking off again without checking the engine was risk= y but I did not want to leave the plane along the lake for the winter.=C2= =A0 I made it ok to the airport, about 10 minutes.=C2=A0 The engine turned = by hand and had all the exhaust pulses and it did produced full power as us= ual.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It was a good takeoff, my first on the water. =C2=A0 The oil hose broke at the fitting, (it kind of sheared and pulled out of th= e fitting) a mechanic said the outer fitting ferrule might have been presse= d too much and had damaged the hose itself.=C2=A0=C2=A0 In any case this is= not the type of hose that should be used on an aircraft.=C2=A0 I had my do= uts about this type of hose.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, I was right. =C2=A0 Now, there is another thing about this hose. It is not very far from the ex= haust stack (I will measure the distance).=C2=A0 The other hose that connec= t there is coverd with a fire sleeve, plus wrapped in foil,=C2=A0because it= is closer to the exhaust stack.=C2=A0 I will have to check that more close= ly.=C2=A0 Did not think of this heat damage possibility before now. =C2=A0 Yes the oil pressure warning LED will be there on the instrument panel the = next time the engine start. I have Tracy's EM2 and the pressure display flashes when it is low but ther= e is nothing like a flashing RED light to attract my attention. =C2=A0 Quite a few lessons learned here and probably more are coming up! Back to the hangar! =C2=A0 Rino =C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:35 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure Great flying, Rino!!=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0Dead stick landings (having made thr= ee in my 10 years) always get my heart rate up a notch not to mention disap= pearing seat cushions.=C2=A0 Fortunately, the rotary has a lot of bearing a= rea and can survive longer without adequate oil pressure than most engines = =E2=80=93 but, as Lynn said, tear it down, rebuild it and let us know what = you find. =C2=A0 I only use SS braided lines for oil, fuel AND coolant (I know a bit anal on= the coolant lines being capable of handling 750 psi of coolant pressure), = but I have never had a line break =E2=80=93 yet. =C2=A0 Needless to say, glad you made it down to the lake safely and both you and = the aircraft will fly again. =C2=A0 Welcome to the club {:>) =C2=A0 Ed.=C2=A0=20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com --0-579123011-1258815294=:94021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Between the time this hose broke and the= motor was drained of all the oil you would have thought there would have b= een.
 
1- A huge amount of smoke as the oil sprayed on all the hot exhaust su= rfaces.
2- You would have smelled something.
3- you would have seen the oil pressure gauge numbers falling.
 
Now if this engine was on a pylon behind the pilot the first two proba= bly would not apply. <G>
 
You are damn lucky it didn't catch on fire.
 
Glad it all worked out for you sir.
 
Just my opinion.
 
Ben.

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca&g= t; wrote:

From: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressure
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyro= tary@lancaironline.net>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 7:04 AM
Thanks for the response guys!
 
It was an exiting day to say the least.
At this time of the year there is not a si= ngle boat left on the lake so it took some time before being rescued. = The firemen came and pulled the plane to a local marina where I cut t= he hose fixed it and took off again.  I knew that taking off again wit= hout checking the engine was risky but I did not want to leave the plane al= ong the lake for the winter.  I made it ok to the airport, about 10 mi= nutes.  The engine turned by hand and had all the exhaust pulses and i= t did produced full power as usual.   It was a good takeoff, my f= irst on the water.
 
The oil hose broke at the fitting, (it kin= d of sheared and pulled out of the fitting) a mechanic said the outer fitti= ng ferrule might have been pressed too much and had damaged the hose itself= .   In any case this is not the type of hose that should be used = on an aircraft.  I had my douts about this type of hose.  Unfortu= nately, I was right.
 
Now, there is another thing about this hos= e. It is not very far from the exhaust stack (I will measure the distance).=   The other hose that connect there is coverd with a fire sleeve, plus= wrapped in foil, because it is closer to the exhaust stack.  I w= ill have to check that more closely.  Did not think of this heat damag= e possibility before now.
 
Yes the oil pressure warning LED will be t= here on the instrument panel the next time the engine start.
I have Tracy's EM2 and the pressure displa= y flashes when it is low but there is nothing like a flashing RED light to = attract my attention.
 
Quite a few lessons learned here and proba= bly more are coming up!
Back to the hangar!
 
Rino
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12= :35 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Pressur= e

Great flying, Rino!!&= nbsp;   Dead stick landings (having made three in my 10 years) al= ways get my heart rate up a notch not to mention disappearing seat cushions= .  Fortunately, the rotary has a lot of bearing area and can survive l= onger without adequate oil pressure than most engines =E2=80=93 but, as Lyn= n said, tear it down, rebuild it and let us know what you find.

 <= /DIV>

I only use SS braided= lines for oil, fuel AND coolant (I know a bit anal on the coolant lines be= ing capable of handling 750 psi of coolant pressure), but I have never had = a line break =E2=80=93 yet.

 <= /DIV>

Needless to say, glad= you made it down to the lake safely and both you and the aircraft will fly= again.

 <= /DIV>

Welcome to the club {= :>)

 <= /DIV>

Ed. 

Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
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