X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omta.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.110] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3892625 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:06:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=4.59.182.110; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.167.75.162]) by tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091020180539.DMJG26010.tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:05:39 -0400 Received: from PCdeRita ([142.167.75.162]) by torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with SMTP id <20091020180538.IXWP29716.torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@PCdeRita> for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:05:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA5196.C1F40720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020209.4ADDFBF3.0124,ss=1,fgs=0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA5196.C1F40720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a pusher type (Glass Goose) probably a bit harder to install = flaps between the cowl and the prop. It also create more pressure = inside the cowl. Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Maher=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs I think that the most common method would be to use cowl flap(s) = to block the air exit from the cowl. Jim --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rino wrote: From: Rino Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 4:19 PM =EF=BB=BF=20 No thermostat for either. I have to find other ways to = control the temp. I want to control the air flow. =20 What is the best way, block the air flow at the front or the = back of the engine and rads? Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Maher=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs Rino, Do you have coolent and oil thermostats in your = system? If you did you should not see such low temps. Jim --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rino = wrote: From: Rino Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark = Plugs To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:39 PM both oil and water temp were about 125 F on final to = landing which I feel is too cold for a landing overshoot. I normally = take off when the oil temp is 140 F or more. I would like to see above = 160 temp all the time for oil and water. Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Whaley=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark = Plugs Rino and Group: I=E2=80=99m curious about the comments with regards = to the cold engine =E2=80=A6 are you more concerned about oil or water = temp? Lynn has posted several times that oil temperatures = ABOVE 160F rob power from the rotary, so that should mean oil temps = below 160F are a good thing.=20 How low is too low?=20 On my last flight the oil temp was about 135F in = cruise =E2=80=A6 with synthetic or multi-viscosity oil (15W50 for = example), low oil temps should not be problem.=20 Jeff=20 =20 Rino posted:=20 How long do the sparkplugs should last on the Renesis = engine.=20 My engine is starting to run rough and I suspect the = plugs.=20 I have to say that it is also running too cold, it = goes down to about 160 F (oil and water) when coming in for a landing = which is usually 3500 rpm. I have the NGK iridium plugs, lead RE7C and = trail RE9B.=20 =20 I am trying to warm up by blocking the radiators at = the moment. OAT between 30 and 40 F.=20 I will have to build shutters to control the engine = temp.=20 =20 Last month the engine was too hot, now it is too cold. = I did modify the air ducts and change the oil rad for the original RX7 = rad.=20 =20 Rino Lacombe=20 Renesis powered Glass Goose=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA5196.C1F40720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
This is a pusher type (Glass = Goose)  probably=20 a bit harder to install flaps between the cowl and the prop.  It = also=20 create more pressure inside the cowl.
 
Rino
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James = Maher=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 = 11:01=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Cold = Oil ... was=20 Spark Plugs

I think that the most common method would be to use cowl = flap(s) to=20 block the
air exit from the cowl.
 
Jim

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
Subjec= t:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs
To: "Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Date:=20 Monday, October 19, 2009, 4:19 PM

=EF=BB=BF=20
No thermostat for = either.  I have to=20 find other ways to control the temp. I want to control the air = flow. 
What is the best way, block = the air flow=20 at the front or the back of the engine and rads?
 
Rino
----- Original Message ----- =
From: James=20 Maher
To: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Sent: Monday, October = 19, 2009=20 3:16 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Cold=20 Oil ... was Spark Plugs

Rino,
Do you have coolent and oil thermostats in your=20 system?
If you did you should not see such low = temps.
 
Jim

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rino = <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
Sub= ject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Date:=20 Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:39 PM

both oil and water = temp were=20 about 125 F on final to landing which I feel is too = cold for=20 a landing overshoot.  I normally take off when = the oil=20 temp is 140 F or more.  I would like to see = above 160=20 temp all the time for oil and water.
 
Rino
----- Original = Message -----=20
From:=20 Jeff Whaley =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: = Monday, October=20 19, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Cold Oil ... was Spark Plugs

Rino=20 and Group:

I=E2=80=99m=20 curious about the comments with regards to the cold=20 engine  =E2=80=A6 are you more concerned about = oil or water=20 temp?

Lynn=20 has posted several times that oil temperatures ABOVE = 160F rob=20 power from the rotary, so that should mean oil temps = below=20 160F are a good thing.=20

How=20 low is too low?=20

On=20 my last flight the oil temp was about 135F in cruise = =E2=80=A6 with=20 synthetic or multi-viscosity oil (15W50 for example), = low oil=20 temps should not be problem.=20

Jeff=20

=20

Rino=20 posted:=20

How=20 long do the sparkplugs should last on the Renesis=20 engine.=20

My=20 engine is starting to run rough and I suspect the=20 plugs.=20

I=20 have to say that it is also running too cold, it goes = down=20 to about 160 F (oil and water) when coming in for = a=20 landing which is usually 3500 rpm.  I have the = NGK=20 iridium plugs, lead RE7C and trail RE9B.=20

=20

I=20 am trying to warm up by blocking the radiators at the=20 moment.  OAT  between 30 and 40 = F.=20

I=20 will have to build shutters to control the engine=20 temp.=20

=20

Last=20 month the engine was too hot, now it is too = cold.  I did=20 modify the air ducts and change the oil rad for the = original=20 RX7 rad.=20

=20

Rino=20 Lacombe=20

Renesis=20 powered Glass Goose=20

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