Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48250
From: Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Another mixed day out at the hangar
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:40:29 -0700
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I'm not a big fan of pipe threads either. But on my Bruce Turrentine built engine various ports had been plugged using plugs with a straight thread and then potted over with epoxy and many of those have leaked in the 30 hours of run time I have on the engine. I wish he'd used pipe threads on those before potting them.
 
My remote filter mount was made by Trans Dapt. This is probably the 4th or 5th one of these that I've used on various projects and have never had an issue with leaks. Have always used Earls AN fittings and hose including the NPT to AN adapters.
 
I'd agree with what a couple of others have said here. First thing I'd do is make absolutely certain that the leak really is where you think it is. Its amazing how far 1 drop of oil can travel when subjected to the airflow of a prop.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another mixed day out at the hangar

 
 
 
The first bad news is that I replaced my romote oil filter mount and installed a new filter.  As I have mentioned here I have had it leaking at the rubber filter seal.  The old one looked ok, but since replacing the filters no less than three times and knowing that the eye cannot see all inperfections, I replaced the mount AND filter (K&N 2004 filter).  But, NO JOY. It is still leaking where the filter mounts.  It IS seeping from the filter seal and NOT the two hose connections...no doubt on this.  I know the rotary's oil pressure is higher than other engines but I would not think it would be so much that it is overwhelming this standard mount and seal.  This is just a standard screw on remote oil mount made out of AL...Made in the USA.  Looks like many others I have seen.  Y'all have any ideas. 
 
 
Chris,
 
When I was much younger, and much more foolish, I had a 66 mustang fastback with all the go fast additions. The engine was lowered in the frame and moved back a ways to help the weight distribution. Doing so required a remote mount oil filter. I had a terrible time with leaks. There was no internet at the time, and info was hard to come by, especially in BFA.....(a popular derogatory phrase involving the substitution of Arkansas for Egypt). Eventually I figured out that the problem was the fittings not the oil filter. I had NAS type fittings and braided lines from the block to the filter mount. The filter mount had female NPT threads. Being that I was a perpetually poor kid, I used some brass hardware store fittings for the pipe thread to NAS joints. Two problems: Pipe threads are terrible and I hate Teflon tape because it is a pain in the ass, leaks, and the shreds can get into delicate stuff and clog/break things. The second problem was that although the NAS fittings will thread onto the hardware store fittings, the tapers are incompatible and will not seal adequately. The solution was to get proper NAS fittings and to use a good high quality PTFE based pipe dope. Pipe dope is messy, but it is one of the best things I ever discovered. It always seals the first time, and will simply dissolve into hydraulic fluid or oil and will not harm or clog anything.
 
I had thought the casting was bad or something, but the seep was only happening when the engine was warm and the oil was thin. It was small and drained down into the filter/seal area and by the time I looked at it the evidence of the seep was gone..... Check carefully when the engine/oil is warm and have somebody rev the engine while you look very carefully at the area around the fittings with a bright light.
 
I HATE TEFLON TAPE!!!!
 
I HATE PIPE THREADS!!!
 
I never got a ticket in that car (which is a minor miracle), but your brothers in blue used to pull me over constantly just to look at the car.
 
Good luck.
 
Monty
 
 
 
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