Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48205
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:46:33 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Dave,
Yes, I absolutely agree.  I wrote the previous post with the assumption that it was pretty much eady for the DAR inspection.  If that's not the case, then don't do fast taxis.
 
As far as inadvertent flight, I personally didn't have any trouble keeping the wheels on the runway.  YMMV.
 
Mark

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark...
  You should never EVER do high speed or "fast" taxi's in a plane thats not ready to fly. I would recommend strongly against this until Chris has his panel completed, everything troubleshot, and his inspection completed, and his phase 1 operating limitations in hand.

I've heard that the majority of high speed taxi accidents involve inadvertent flight.

Dave

Mark Steitle wrote:
You can fast taxi as long as you keep at least one wheel on the runway surface.  The tower shouldn't have any problem with you doing a couple of fast taxis if things are slow.  I did a lot of fast taxis in order to get a real good feel for the climb angle.  I would accelerate up to the point where the nose wheel would lift off, then back off the throttle and hold it that attitude for a few seconds.  It didn't take long and I had a real good image in my mind of what to expect on first flight.  Just don't get carried away and run off the end of the runway.  Yeah, I know, you've got 7k feet of runway.  The end comes at you pretty fast.
 Mark S.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@bellairepolice.com <mailto:cbarber@bellairepolice.com>> wrote:

   Good thoughts Mark.  I think that I have not been going full rich
   at cold start up....perhaps out of fear of flooding it. Of course
   I suppose I could just as easily flood it by over priming.  Your
   way is correct as I remember it from Tracy's manual. Like I said,
   I still need to develope the proper techniqes now that I am
   hopefully moving past some other concerns.
       Yeah, OAT may be the difference.  It does get pretty hot on the
   ramp.  Usually I am able to get past 6000 without too much probems.
       No, I have not done any high speed taxi runs.  Just some "go-kart"
   runs around the ramp.  I do not have to contact EFD ground or
   tower for that and I aways assumed I should have my airworthyness
   signed off before I take 'er out to a real runway <g>
       Other thoughts welcome.
       All the best,
       Chris
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   *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net
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   *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 PM
   *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
   *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston

   Chris,
       I know that each engine/installation is unique, I usually don't
   have to prime even once when cold (summertime), and never when hot
   (doesn't need the extra help igniting the fuel mixture).  However,
   I always go rich on the mixture knob (full rich for a cold
   start, 2-3 o'clock position for a warm start).  It always starts
   within a few seconds of cranking. I would try priming less when
   hot and see what happens.  Also, I would check your idle mixture
   settings.  If it takes that much priming, it sounds like it may
   tuned be a bit on the lean side.      My take on your static rpm question is that OAT may be the cause
   of the variations.  Sounds like you've got enough to get off the
   ground.  Have you done any fast taxi runs?  You've got plenty of
   runway.        Mark
   On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Chris Barber
   <cbarber@bellairepolice.com <mailto:cbarber@bellairepolice.com>>

   wrote:

       Oh, also, I am having a bit of trouble to get it to start when
       hot.  Seems to crank right up when cold, but I seem to have to
       hold my tounge just right to fire it up when hot.  I think it
       MAY have to do with the different mixture and priming needed
       when hot.  It seems to like about six to ten prime shots when
       cold, but may like more when hot....not sure yet. Annoying
       though.....especially when trying to show off to the
       curious....who heard the engine a few minutes ealier <g>

       
       Thanks.

       
       All the best,

       
       Chris


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