X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3858013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:32:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@bellairepolice.com Return-Path: cbarber@bellairepolice.com Received: from fcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([172.16.5.24]) by FCD-MAIL03.FCDATA.PRIVATE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:32:07 -0500 Received: from fcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([4.4.5.9]) byfcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([4.4.5.9]) with mapi; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:31:52-0500 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:31:50 -0500 From: Chris Barber Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston To: Rotary motors in aircraft Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston Thread-Index: Aco3+YQo7aaJ1YQkSsaOn0wbK+W37wABUiJy References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2009 01:32:07.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5834AE0:01CA37FF] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0F749463E0EF646B3946A4248B3C86A5D7DCE9Efcdmail05FCDATA_" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_000_D0F749463E0EF646B3946A4248B3C86A5D7DCE9Efcdmail05FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good thoughts Mark. I think that I have not been going full rich at cold= start up....perhaps out of fear of flooding it. Of course I suppose I co= uld just as easily flood it by over priming. Your way is correct as I re= member it from Tracy's manual. Like I said, I still need to develope the = proper techniqes now that I am hopefully moving past some other concerns. Yeah, OAT may be the difference. It does get pretty hot on the ramp. Us= ually I am able to get past 6000 without too much probems. No, I have not done any high speed taxi runs. Just some "go-kart" runs a= round the ramp. I do not have to contact EFD ground or tower for that an= d I aways assumed I should have my airworthyness signed off before I take= 'er out to a real runway Other thoughts welcome. All the best, Chris ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf O= f Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston Chris, I know that each engine/installation is unique, I usually don't have to p= rime even once when cold (summertime), and never when hot (doesn't need t= he extra help igniting the fuel mixture). However, I always go rich on t= he mixture knob (full rich for a cold start, 2-3 o'clock position for a w= arm start). It always starts within a few seconds of cranking. I would t= ry priming less when hot and see what happens. Also, I would check your = idle mixture settings. If it takes that much priming, it sounds like it = may tuned be a bit on the lean side. My take on your static rpm question is that OAT may be the cause of the v= ariations. Sounds like you've got enough to get off the ground. Have yo= u done any fast taxi runs? You've got plenty of runway. Mark On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Chris Barber > wrote: Oh, also, I am having a bit of trouble to get it to start when hot. Seem= s to crank right up when cold, but I seem to have to hold my tounge just = right to fire it up when hot. I think it MAY have to do with the differe= nt mixture and priming needed when hot. It seems to like about six to te= n prime shots when cold, but may like more when hot....not sure yet. Anno= ying though.....especially when trying to show off to the curious....who = heard the engine a few minutes ealier Thanks. All the best, Chris Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e= -mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legal= ly privileged. 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Good = thoughts Mark.  I think that I have not been going full rich at cold= start up....perhaps out of fear of flooding it. Of course I suppose I co= uld just as easily flood it by over priming.  Your way is correct as I remember it from Tracy's manual. Like I said, I= still need to develope the proper techniqes now that I am hopefully movi= ng past some other concerns.
 
Yeah, OAT may be the di= fference.  It does get pretty hot on the ramp.  Usually I am ab= le to get past 6000 without too much probems.
 
No, I have not done any= high speed taxi runs.  Just some "go-kart" runs around th= e ramp.  I do not have to contact EFD ground or tower for that and I= aways assumed I should have my airworthyness signed off before I take 'er out to a real runway <g>
 
Other thoughts welcome.=
 
All the best,
 
Chris

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [= flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.co= m]
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Progress report from Houston

Chris,
 
I know that each engine/installation is unique, I usually don't have= to prime even once when cold (summertime), and never when hot (doesn't n= eed the extra help igniting the fuel mixture).  However, I always go= rich on the mixture knob (full rich for a cold start, 2-3 o'clock position for a warm start).  It a= lways starts within a few seconds of cranking. I would try priming l= ess when hot and see what happens.  Also, I would check your idle mi= xture settings.  If it takes that much priming, it sounds like it may tuned be a bit on the lean side.  
My take on your static rpm question is that OAT may be the= cause of the variations.  Sounds like you've got enough to get off = the ground.  Have you done any fast taxi runs?  You've got plen= ty of runway. 
 
Mark
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Chris Barber = <cbarber@bellairepolice.= com> wrote:

Oh, also, I am having a bit of trouble to get it to start when hot.&nb= sp; Seems to crank right up when cold, but I seem to have to hold my toun= ge just right to fire it up when hot.  I think it MAY have to do wit= h the different mixture and priming needed when hot.  It seems to like about six to ten prime shots when cold, but = may like more when hot....not sure yet. Annoying though.....especially wh= en trying to show off to the curious....who heard the engine a few minute= s ealier <g>

 

Thanks.

 

All the best,

 

Chris


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