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Steve, Thanks For the rotary we have one locally on a Volmer. That will depend on its owner though. Best Regards, Alain -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Steve Thomas Sent: September 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks He was particularly interested in the rotary, but I'm sure that he would be interested regardless. I'll pass this info. along. Best Regards, Steve Thomas _______________________________________________________ On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Alain Ouellet wrote: > Steve, > > I am running Lycoming O-320 E2D 150 hp and I can find other engines as > required. > > Best Regards, > > Alain > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On > Behalf Of Steve Thomas > Sent: September 17, 2009 1:34 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks > > > Alain, > > What engine are you running? I will mention you the next time I talk > to him. > > Best Regards, > > Steve Thomas > _______________________________________________________ > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Alain Ouellet wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> If your fellow is interested to have someone test his fuel in >> operation. >> >> I could probably arrange to have it done, let me know and/or he can >> contact >> me >> thru a direct e-mail and we can go from there. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Alain >> >> Alain Ouellet >> 905-458-5424 >> mailto:aouellet@icecanada.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >> On >> Behalf Of Steve Thomas >> Sent: September 17, 2009 9:51 AM >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Vinyl Ester tanks >> >> >> George, >> >> According to the information I have, butanol is not corrosive due to >> its larger hydrocarbon chain. Check out the following link: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel >> >> I recently spoke with a fellow that is trying to develop a biobutanol >> factory to produce it from biomass, mostly waste product and not >> foodstuffs. He wants me to test his fuel. Not likely, as flying for >> the first time has enough uncertainty without adding unnecessary >> variables. But, it does have promise. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Steve Thomas >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:42 AM, George Lendich wrote: >> >>> Steve doesn't it go Methanol, Ethanol, Butanol in the BTU rating - >>> isn't it still a alcohol and isn't alcohol the thing that kills >>> epoxy? >>> George ( down under) >>> >>>> (sorry, but the chart mentioned below is too big. If you want a >>>> copy, let me know and I'll email direct.) >>>> >>>> Yes, but there are many formulations of vinyl ester. My entire >>>> airplane is made from vinyl ester, including the wet-wing gas >>>> tanks. The formula used from the factory was Derakane 411-45. I >>>> switched to Derakane 411-350 some time later as it was a little >>>> more viscous and wetted out better. It was also easier to get. >>>> However, if you look at the attached Derakane Chemical Resistance >>>> Guide, the 411 series is not recommended for gasohol >>>> concentrations greater than 10% ethanol. Since I cannot do >>>> anything about my tanks at this point, I am forced to live with >>>> the limitations of Derakane 411. >>>> >>>> I don't know what the specifications are on the fiberglast resins, >>>> but those who use it ought to know. For me, E85 is clearly not in >>>> the cards. Another possible option is butanol. There are some who >>>> are experimenting with butanol as a 100% replacement for 100LL. >>>> It has nearly the same octane rating as 100LL, and about 90% of >>>> the total energy, per gallon, of gasoline. Ethanol only has about >>>> 60% of the energy, per gallon, of gasoline. And butanol does >>>> require a different air-fuel ratio. It is also not corrosive in >>>> the same way as ethanol. >>>> >>>> So, my concern remains. It looks like using gasohol with a 10% >>>> lace of ethanol will be OK. More than that, I'll be switching to >>>> 100LL. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Thomas >>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Lynn Hanover wrote: >>>> >>>>> Or, what are the tanks holding E-85 made out of? About 75% alcohol >>>>> .All of the underground fuel tanks are now Vinyl Ester. >>>>> >>>>> Lynn E. 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