X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.82.89] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with SMTP id 3855203 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:54:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.167.82.89; envelope-from=aviator@stinsonvoyager.com Received: (qmail 23097 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2009 14:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (76.88.64.229) by p3plsmtpa01-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.89) with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2009 14:53:53 -0000 From: "Bill Monroe" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Wire Marking Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:53:38 -0700 Message-ID: <007201ca36dd$79f370b0$6dda5210$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0073_01CA36A2.CD9498B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aco21eflp2T+WE/6QbuFXvqQMpAPMwABKgKA Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CA36A2.CD9498B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve tried that printer. Makes very nice labels.. but=E2=80=A6 = there=E2=80=99s a lot of waste. My experience was it took 1- 1.25 = inches to make even a brief label. Further the cartridges only hold 5 = feet of label stock for heat shrink. And cost from 25 to 31 bux each = (depending on size of wire) It ended up costing about 55 cents for each = label. Probably not too bad if you=E2=80=99re doing a VFR panel but a = dual navcom IFR setup with remote channeling DME =E2=80=93 well, could = get pretty pricey at over a buck a wire just to label them. Of course, = after blowing a wad on all that radio gear, penny-pinching on labels = doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense. =20 I=E2=80=99ve been using the Brady TLS2200 labeler for close to 10 years = (I make medical robots for a living). Labels run about 30 cents each = and My experience been that they are much better print and durability. = Of course, the printer isn=E2=80=99t free (they run around 400 bux on = ebay)=E2=80=A6 printing on heat-shrink wire labels just isn=E2=80=99t = cheap. Sure looks nice though. =20 The kids at the high school engineering program that I mentor used an = inexpensive drug store labeler to do the label/clear heat shrink method. = The labels were not thermal so I guess they were some sort of transfer = type. The result was *very* nice and much less expensive. Took a = little more time but, I guess the ultimate savings really depends on how = much you charge yourself for labor J =20 You should see the 3-axis Cartesian robot they made, and used for (among = other things) engraving data plates=E2=80=A6 sweet J =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Bill Schertz Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:58 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Wire Marking =20 Here is a message that I sent to my local EAA chapter with information = about a wire labeler that prints on shrink tubing. Also, in my opinion, = (although I did it) stuffing the small labels under the clear tubing is = very time consuming. Whereas printing directly on the shrink tubing is = much more time efficient. =20 FWIW Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing =20 When I built my plane, I very carefully labeled all my wires, printing = out a label for each end, cutting it out, and heat shrinking it with = clear heat shrink tubing. Unfortunately, I used a label printer that = used thermal printer on the tape, and with time, and the heat under the = cowl, most of the labels are turning black and unreadable. =20 It is too late for my plane, but I know there are many others in the = chapter that still have the wiring to do. There is a better alternative, = a printer that uses THERMAL TRANSFER printing, and will print directly = on heat shrink tubing. The tubing is then slipped over the wire, and = heat shrunk into place. The printing shrinks with the tubing, and you = get a very professional label, that won't go away. My proposal is this: =20 1. The Chapter buys 10 heat shrink cartridges, and gets a FREE Dymo = Rhinopro 5000 labeler at this web address =20 http://www.buyheatshrink.com/dymo-label-writer/dymo-replacement-labels.ht= m#heatshrink =20 2. A Chapter member wants to use the machine -- he/she buys from the = chapter the appropriate cartridge, and borrows the labeler. When done, = he removes his cartridge from the machine and returns it to the chapter = or the next member that wants to use it. =20 Net result: Members get professional quality labeling, the chapter ends = up with no net expense ( about $300 upfront cost) =20 Bill Schertz Plane currently grounded because BlueMountain unit out for repair. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01CA36A2.CD9498B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99ve tried that printer.=C2=A0 Makes very nice = labels.. but=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 there=E2=80=99s a lot of waste.=C2=A0 My experience was it took 1- 1.25 inches to make = even a brief label.=C2=A0 Further the cartridges only hold 5 feet of label stock for = heat shrink.=C2=A0 And cost from 25 to 31 bux each (depending on size of = wire)=C2=A0 It ended up costing about 55 cents for each label.=C2=A0 Probably not too bad if = you=E2=80=99re doing a VFR panel but a dual navcom IFR setup with remote channeling DME = =E2=80=93 well, could get pretty pricey at over a buck a wire just to label them.=C2=A0 Of = course, after blowing a wad on all that radio gear, penny-pinching on labels = doesn=E2=80=99t make much sense.

 

I=E2=80=99ve been using the Brady TLS2200 labeler for = close to 10 years (I make medical robots for a living).=C2=A0 Labels run about 30 cents = each and My experience been that they are much better print and durability.=C2=A0 Of course, = the printer isn=E2=80=99t free (they run around 400 bux on ebay)=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 printing on = heat-shrink wire labels just isn=E2=80=99t cheap.=C2=A0 Sure looks nice = though.

 

The kids at the high school engineering program that I = mentor used an inexpensive drug store labeler to do the label/clear heat shrink method.=C2=A0 The labels were not thermal so I guess they were some sort = of transfer type.=C2=A0 The result was *very* nice and much less = expensive.=C2=A0 Took a little more time but, I guess the ultimate savings really depends on how much = you charge yourself for labor J

 

You should see the 3-axis Cartesian robot they made, and = used for (among other things) engraving data plates=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 = sweet=C2=A0 J

 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill = Schertz
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:58 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Wire Marking

 

Here is a message that I sent to my = local EAA chapter with information about a wire labeler that prints on shrink = tubing. Also, in my opinion, (although I did it) stuffing the small labels under = the clear tubing is very time consuming. Whereas printing directly on the = shrink tubing is much more time efficient.

 

FWIW

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing

 

When I built my plane, I very carefully labeled all my = wires, printing out a label for each end, cutting it out, and heat shrinking it = with clear heat shrink tubing.  Unfortunately, I used a label printer = that used thermal printer on the tape, and with time, and the heat under the cowl, = most of the labels are turning black and unreadable.

 

It is too late for my plane, but I know there are many = others in the chapter that still have the wiring to do. There is a better = alternative, a printer that uses THERMAL TRANSFER printing, and will print directly on = heat shrink tubing.  The tubing is then slipped over the wire, and heat = shrunk into place. The printing shrinks with the tubing, and you get a very professional label, that won't go away.  My proposal is = this:

 

1.  The Chapter buys 10 heat shrink cartridges, and = gets a FREE Dymo Rhinopro 5000 labeler at this web = address

 

http://www.buyheatshrink.com/dymo-label-writer/dymo-rep= lacement-labels.htm#heatshrink

 

2.  A Chapter member wants to use the machine -- = he/she buys from the chapter the appropriate cartridge, and borrows the = labeler.  When done, he removes his cartridge from the machine and returns it to the = chapter or the next member that wants to use it.

 

Net result: Members get professional quality labeling, the = chapter ends up with no net expense ( about $300 upfront = cost)

 

Bill Schertz

Plane currently grounded because BlueMountain unit out for = repair.

 

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