I tried making some sort-of fish tale
exhaust pipe terminators – I squished down some 2 ¼” 0.064 SS
tubing into something resembling a fishtail with about ½-3/4 “ gap. I
flew for 30 minutes came back to find that the exhaust pulse had fatiqued the
metal to the point that chunks of 304 the size of my thumb were missing. The
ones that might withstand that pounding are just too heavy to hang on the end
of an aircraft exhaust – in my opinion.
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Luckey
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009
2:37 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FishTail
Vs FishMouth: [FlyRotary] Re: FishMouth [FlyRotary] Re: Muffling/ Morroso
update
Ed,
And you are using the Fish Tail as the
outlet for your exhaust system?
I’ve used the term Fish Mouth wrt
the way in which one would cut the end of a piece of tubing to form a joint w/
another piece of tubing using a tube notcher. Like this:

I was unsure about the context of your
conversation w/ Dave.
Thanks for the Fish Tail pict –
worth a thousand words.
-Jeff
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009
04:42
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] FishTail Vs
FishMouth: [FlyRotary] Re: FishMouth [FlyRotary] Re: Muffling/ Morroso update
Sorry, Jeff, I was thinking
“FishTail” when David mentioned “Fishmouth” –
here is an example of a “FishTail” an end piece for exhaust
pipe. David will have to explain “FishMouth”

From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Jeff Luckey
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009
12:58 AM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FishMouth
[FlyRotary] Re: Muffling/ Morroso update
What’s a “fish mouth”?
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009
13:45
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] FishMouth
[FlyRotary] Re: Muffling/ Morroso update
Hi Dave,
Unless you get a really sturdy (heavy)
fishmouth, you will likely find that the exhaust pulses will fatique the mouth
in relative short time. I tried it by squishing down some 2 ½” 0.06
tubing – even drilled some holes to promote flow. After a few hours
chunks of the metal was missing and the mouth was fractured in many places
– not due to the heat but due to the shock wave.
YMMV
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009
2:47 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Muffling/
Morroso update
I have been running the Morroso for the last 20 hours or so. Not
sure it is the muffler, but I have noticed a definate decrease in power.
Too bad because it did a nice job on the sound and only weighed 3 lbs.
I think next I will empty out the flowmaster shell and reinstall it -
then live with the noise. Maybe put in some lava rocks if I get tired of
the noise again. Maybe try a fishmouth.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Lynn Hanover <lehanover@gmail.com> wrote:
I was thinking along the same lines as Bill - that the DNA
is more restrictive resulting in richer mixtures at equivalent MAP. My home
made muffler was a copy of the Moroso spiral flow mufflers, but with a larger
center tube. With my home made muffler I can look all the way through it so the
DNA is clearly more restrictive. Which is why I'm surprised it didnt work better.
The DNA sure looks better than my home made muffler. Weld
quality is great. Time will tell how it holds up. The home made muffler was
Inconel so I expect it would be more durable in the long run.
The point of something else in the airflow path limiting HP
is a good point. One of things I've noticed is that I reach max power long
before I reach max throttle. Since I'm making enough power for good performance
I wasnt too worried about this, but I am curious. Once I reach about 3/4
throttle I'm maxed out - the last 1/4 doesnt do anything.
The first problem to overcome when muffling a rotary, is the supersonic
shock wave leaving the engine. If you can see through the muffler from end to
end, it is probable that some part of that shock wave will exit the muffler. In
order to slow the shock wave to subsonic it is required that the muffler
provide some pressure in front of, Or, to impinge on the moving wave to slow it
down.
The Mazda racing muffler has an empty room at the front that allows the
shock wave to expand and drop to subsonic before muffling begins. You can see
through the Mazda muffler, but they address the supersonic problem early in the
process. They used to use lava rocks for the media, This stuff would be turned
to dust and expelled during the year, and need to be replaced.
The center tube was perfed as was the front bulkhead. So pressure from
the front chamber could see the center tube cross section
and the perfed bulkhead area. So in that regard the muffler was
ineffective if the front chaomber failed to drop the shock wave to subsonic.
However it did, and could hold the strongest Rotary to 105 dB at 50 feet. (Full
throttle at best power RPM) Probably well above 9,000 RPM.
So to muffle you drop the velocity, using volume changes. By cooling
the flow, by impinging on the flow with gasses collected in the front of the
muffler and reintroduced near the end of the muffler, by using the flow to
impinge on itself with splitters or divided flow tricks and reflectors. By
absorbing the highest pressure peaks in some form of replaceable media. By
absorbing the most offensive frequencies in tuned cavities.
Once the supersonic problem is delt with, conventional car mufflers are
effective.
My first muffler attempt started with the center tube being from a
house jack strut. About 1/8 wall probably 1010 steel. Large diameter holes in
the first 5 inches to help replicate the Mazda cavity muffler. Then a bulkhead
with 1/4" holes. Then a space of about 4" with no holes. Then
thousands (it seemed like) of 1/8" holes in the rest of the tube length. I
worked pretty well and then melted the center tube near the front. There was no
media involved. About 30" overall.
The rotary is slightly more tolorant of back pressure than is
suspected, and this may be used to impinge
on fuffling flow. At the exhause flange, there is a negative pressure
well below ambient. A leak here draws cold air into the system and unburned
fuel ignites with a popping sound, like a 2 cycle scooter off the power.
Perf tube mufflers take off the peaks and then impinge on the flow. So
they may affect tuning every where, and then change as the media melts into
little balls or is hammered to dust and leaves the muffler.
It seemed to me that the Spintech was close to the best for this
application, and would like to have seen that run to destruction.
Just my opinion, I could be completly wrong.
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