Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2897838 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:34:02 -0500 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBK1Xvow022921 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:34:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c3c698$ef27d6c0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: evap core versus radiator Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: evap core versus radiator > Posted for "sqpilot@earthlink" : > > > > So a 9x10.5x3.6 GM core turns out to be pretty close to what the equations > > indicate in required for that power and airspeed. Actually perhaps a bit > > thicker at 3.64 inch than optimum at 120 MPH according to the equations. > So > > the 3" thick core could be a bit closer to optimum if using a GM type core > > than the 3.6" core for 120MPH cooling and would probably improve cooling > in > > the take-off and initial climb phase where there is less dynamic pressure > to > > force air through the cores. > > > > Hi, Ed....Do I understand correctly that only one of these cores would be > needed to cool 160 HP at 120 MPH? Thanks. Paul Conner > Hi Paul, No - sorry if I misled you. Unless the pass several weeks of studying K&W are for naught, its fairly clear that for 160HP at 120MPH you need two GM cores. The point I was trying to make is that the calculations show that for the frontal area of the GM cores that their optimum thickness for 120 MPH is closer to 3" or the core you mentioned to Marv rather than the GM cores 3.6". I have however progress to the point (I think) where I could calculate the effectiveness of other cores (like car type radiators) in providing cooling. The only problem would be I would need some parameters that are normal not available. One is the ratio of open area to frontal area of the core. Similarly the dimensions of the holes (air passages) (width and height) as well as the normal dimensions (width Height thickness). Also whether the fins are smooth, slotted (the cores fins are slotted) or corrugated. I obtained those dimension from the GM core and the calculated results appears to be close to what folks are observing. Found an old Naca paper translated from a German study written back in 1939 that is surprisingly similar to the K&W work. It does have some different stuff, a bit more on the use of cowl flaps which is interesting. Also, it shows that as the radiator heats up, it offers more air resistance and less cooling effectiveness and that the area of the cowl flap opening is important in getting good results from them. Ed Anderson