Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #47957
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Oil Use was [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:33:23 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Can’t help you, Bill

 

In my 10 + years of flying with the rotary, I’ve never had to add oil between changes.  In fact, always had to drain a bit after 10 hours or so due to the two cycle oil.  However, since I have switched to the 2.85 gear box and reduced my oil to ¾ oz per gallon about 3 years, I have notice no further build up of oil in the sump.

 

YMMV

 

Ed

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:06 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade

 

I suspect that the proper amount of oil will always result in oil increasing in the pan.  After all, in the car this oil is recycled out of the pan.

Does anyone have any good data on how much oil the rotary “uses” between oil changes?  That would give some idea of how much it would take to not have any oil get into the pan, but I doubt it is a good idea to have all the oil burn or blow out.  Lubrication is the goal.

I plan to use 3 oz per 4 gal.  1 ½ oz Marvel Mistery oil and 1 ½ oz 2 cycle oil.

And I plan to not forget to put it in each time!  :>)

 

If I change oil every 50 hours, I will use around 2.5 gal of oil between changes.  Anybody have data that indicates I will have to drain oil between changes?  I assume that Marvel is as good for the crankcase as the 2 cycle is bad for it???  My setup holds 8 quarts when full.  I was thinking about running it about a quart low on changes.   “Input!, I need input!”

 

Bill B 

 

I am looking forward to reading John’s writeup about his incident.  He always did such a good job describing what was going on with his build, I was sorta sad when he finished.  :>(

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Yvon Cournoyer
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade

I have been using a ratio of 1:140 for some time and still getting an increase in the oil pan. I do not run above 5500-5600 engine rpm. My engine is a 1986 13B. Yvon.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tracy Crook

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:04 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade

 

Just talked to John again.  Engine emergency caused by clogged fuel filters (John mentioned debris caused by some fuel tank work of some sort?).   Saw fuel pressure fluctuations on EM2 and increased EGTs then rpm started falling.   After landing, John found the clogged filters & cleaned them out.  That procedure called for closing a shutoff valve from the tanks.  After cleaning the filters, he forgot to turn the shutoff valves back on, hence the failure to start.  He eventually noticed that fuel pressure was super low and that eventually jogged the memory of the shutoff valves.    After opening them, the engine started immediately. 

The RPM anomaly is still a mystery & I didn't think to ask him if that was back to normal.  I'm sure we will hear more later.  I'm kind of amazed that the engine still had good compression after 50 gallons of fuel with no oil added was used.

Just random thoughts:   I'm thinking I should cut back on the amount of oil I add.  I'm still accumulating 2 stroke in the crankcase when using 3/4 oz per gallon of gas.  Think I'll go to 1/2 oz / gal. on Renesis.  Peripheral exhaust port 13Bs need more oil than Renesis but 1 oz/gal is probably overkill.

Tracy

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:

So what caused the evergency landing?

Dave Leonard

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:

Called John to see if I could help.  What a saga!    Lots of indications that it is clogged fuel system somewhere but also some symptoms that occurred simultaneously that make no sense at all (like a double rpm indication).   John says compression is good/normal in spite of two fuel stops with no oil added to gas (forgot).  Engine was running normal at shutdown after emergency landing but now won't start.  Unfortunately John has none of the EC2 upgrades including ignition & injector diagnostics and has not tried checking for spark while cranking since that is a 2 man job.   I forgot to ask if he had tried the backup on EC2 controller but I assume he did. 

Tracy

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Bulent Aliev <bulent@enginegearonline.com> wrote:

Guys, I just got a call from John Slade. He had to do an emergency landing in Graystone 17FL (Ocala) FL. His engine will not start again, and he needs someone with rotary experience to talk to. His cel # is 860-271-3941. Please give him a call if you can help in any way.
Buly
Bulent Aliev

 



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David Leonard

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