X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.59.212] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3835293 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:10:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.59.212; envelope-from=dservice@comcast.net Received: from OMTA19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by QMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cDgP1c00L27AodY5EL9iwA; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:09:42 +0000 Received: from DuaneService ([68.56.206.224]) by OMTA19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cLDu1c00T4r19mk3fLDuAq; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:13:55 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Duane Service" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:09:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA2CB0.DED1FB50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA2CB0.DED1FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it may be worth, Amsoil has the best 2 cycle oil on the = market, and it is very forgiving. The suggest 100 to one in lawn = equipment, many using less very sucessfully. This product may not builf = up in the crankcase, but will give supperior protection. Also, you can = safely tripple anutmotive drain entervals using their premium oil, and = their oil filter. The oil filter is the first to use nano-fiber, = supperior cleaning and no restriction. Very husky can, you will not = loose it.Amsoil can be purchased factory direst as a perferred customer, = sent from 9 distribution centers in US. I get product neext day here in = Florida from Orlando. Personally have used these prodducts for over 25 = years, never disapoined in anything they offer. I can't understand why = anyone would use anthing less. Lurker, Duane Service ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Yvon Cournoyer=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade I have been using a ratio of 1:140 for some time and still getting an = increase in the oil pan. I do not run above 5500-5600 engine rpm. My = engine is a 1986 13B. Yvon. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help for John Slade Just talked to John again. Engine emergency caused by clogged fuel = filters (John mentioned debris caused by some fuel tank work of some = sort?). Saw fuel pressure fluctuations on EM2 and increased EGTs then = rpm started falling. After landing, John found the clogged filters & = cleaned them out. That procedure called for closing a shutoff valve = from the tanks. After cleaning the filters, he forgot to turn the = shutoff valves back on, hence the failure to start. He eventually = noticed that fuel pressure was super low and that eventually jogged the = memory of the shutoff valves. After opening them, the engine started = immediately. =20 The RPM anomaly is still a mystery & I didn't think to ask him if = that was back to normal. I'm sure we will hear more later. I'm kind of = amazed that the engine still had good compression after 50 gallons of = fuel with no oil added was used.=20 Just random thoughts: I'm thinking I should cut back on the amount = of oil I add. I'm still accumulating 2 stroke in the crankcase when = using 3/4 oz per gallon of gas. Think I'll go to 1/2 oz / gal. on = Renesis. Peripheral exhaust port 13Bs need more oil than Renesis but 1 = oz/gal is probably overkill. Tracy On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David Leonard = wrote: So what caused the evergency landing? Dave Leonard=20 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tracy Crook = wrote: Called John to see if I could help. What a saga! Lots of = indications that it is clogged fuel system somewhere but also some = symptoms that occurred simultaneously that make no sense at all (like a = double rpm indication). John says compression is good/normal in spite = of two fuel stops with no oil added to gas (forgot). Engine was running = normal at shutdown after emergency landing but now won't start. = Unfortunately John has none of the EC2 upgrades including ignition & = injector diagnostics and has not tried checking for spark while cranking = since that is a 2 man job. I forgot to ask if he had tried the backup = on EC2 controller but I assume he did. =20 Tracy=20 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Bulent Aliev = wrote: Guys, I just got a call from John Slade. He had to do an = emergency landing in Graystone 17FL (Ocala) FL. His engine will not = start again, and he needs someone with rotary experience to talk to. His = cel # is 860-271-3941. Please give him a call if you can help in any = way. Buly Bulent Aliev --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2343 - Release Date: = 09/03/09 05:50:00 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA2CB0.DED1FB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For what it may be worth,  Amsoil = has the best=20 2 cycle oil on the market, and it is very forgiving.  The suggest = 100 to=20 one in lawn equipment, many using less very sucessfully.  This = product may=20 not builf up in the crankcase, but will give supperior protection.  = Also,=20 you can safely tripple  anutmotive  drain entervals using = their=20 premium oil, and their oil filter.  The oil filter is the first to = use=20 nano-fiber, supperior cleaning and no restriction.  Very husky can, = you=20 will not loose it.Amsoil can be purchased factory direst as a perferred=20 customer, sent from 9 distribution centers in US.  I get product = neext day=20 here in Florida from Orlando.  Personally have used these prodducts = for=20 over 25 years, never disapoined in anything they offer.  I can't = understand=20 why anyone would use anthing less.
 
Lurker,  Duane = Service
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Yvon=20 Cournoyer
Sent: Thursday, September 03, = 2009 2:35=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help = for John=20 Slade

I have been using a ratio of = 1:140 for=20 some time and still getting an increase in the oil pan. I do not run = above=20 5500-5600 engine rpm. My engine is a 1986 13B. = Yvon.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracy Crook
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, September = 02, 2009=20 10:04 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Help = for John=20 Slade

Just talked to John again.  Engine emergency = caused by=20 clogged fuel filters (John mentioned debris caused by some fuel tank = work of=20 some sort?).   Saw fuel pressure fluctuations on EM2 and = increased EGTs=20 then rpm started falling.   After landing, John found the = clogged=20 filters & cleaned them out.  That procedure called for = closing a=20 shutoff valve from the tanks.  After cleaning the filters, he = forgot to=20 turn the shutoff valves back on, hence the failure to start.  = He=20 eventually noticed that fuel pressure was super low and that = eventually=20 jogged the memory of the shutoff valves.    After opening = them,=20 the engine started immediately. 

The RPM anomaly is = still a=20 mystery & I didn't think to ask him if that was back to = normal. =20 I'm sure we will hear more later.  I'm kind of amazed that the = engine=20 still had good compression after 50 gallons of fuel with no oil = added was=20 used.

Just random thoughts:   I'm thinking I should cut = back on=20 the amount of oil I add.  I'm still accumulating 2 stroke in = the=20 crankcase when using 3/4 oz per gallon of gas.  Think I'll go = to 1/2 oz=20 / gal. on Renesis.  Peripheral exhaust port 13Bs need more oil = than=20 Renesis but 1 oz/gal is probably overkill.

Tracy


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM, David = Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
So what caused the evergency = landing?

Dave=20 Leonard=20


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tracy = Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:
Called John to see if I could help.  What = a saga!=20    Lots of indications that it is clogged fuel system=20 somewhere but also some symptoms that occurred simultaneously = that make=20 no sense at all (like a double rpm indication).   John = says=20 compression is good/normal in spite of two fuel stops with no = oil added=20 to gas (forgot).  Engine was running normal at shutdown = after=20 emergency landing but now won't start.  Unfortunately John = has none=20 of the EC2 upgrades including ignition & injector = diagnostics and=20 has not tried checking for spark while cranking since that is a = 2 man=20 job.   I forgot to ask if he had tried the backup on = EC2=20 controller but I assume he did. 

Tracy=20


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Bulent = Aliev=20 <bulent@enginegearonline.com> = wrote:
Guys, I just got a call from John Slade. He = had to=20 do an emergency landing in Graystone 17FL=20 (Ocala) FL. His engine will not start again, = and he=20 needs someone with rotary experience to talk to. His cel # is=20 860-271-3941. Please give him a call if you can help in any=20 way.
Buly
Bulent=20 = Aliev




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David=20 Leonard

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