Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #47523
From: Steve Parkins <momsblacksheep@msn.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:47:36 -0700
To: flyrotary <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
ross was not what i want, i need/want the same as al
only cheeper.


steve parkins



 

To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:30:10 -0400
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

Steve, if you have a 20B I would be very hesitant to use a Ross Redrive (in fact I would NOT).

 

I had a Ross unit and flew for about 160 hours before I switched over to RWS gearbox.  The problem was when I increased the power of my engine from around 140-150  to around 170  - 180 HP, I found the sun gear gauling.  The Ross is know to have marginal lubrication, no thrust bearing (so your engine thrust bearing is force to carry the load – which it several times what it was designed to carry) and the rear seal can be a persistent source of oil leak.  There have been some that have lasted much longer and some which have lasted less than 100 hours.  If I had a 120-140 HP project it might be worth try, but with a 20B, I personally think you would be wasting time and money trying to use a Ross drive.  Some folks have had them modified to put in a thrust bearing, but that is just throwing good money after more good money. A good thing to do IF you insist on using a Ross, but personally I would get RWS C drive and go with that.

 

But, that is just my personal opinion based on experience with one Ross drive and what I have heard about them over the years.

 

Ed

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Parkins
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:47 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

 


looking for a used redrive or one that can be fixed or rebuilt ???? any one ??
new one 90days same as cash ?

steve parkins




 

 


To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
From: btilley@mchsi.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:53:06 +0000
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

Steve,

 

 Bob Tilley here. I agree with Ed. I built my engine on our temp firewall mounted in the back of my pickup truck. This way I could "see" how everything was going to look. It helped a little. I still need to redo some of the item I spent a lot of time on now that the engine is on the plane. As far as an intake, You will need to build your own!  there are no working off the shelf parts. Bring the runners out of the block into a plenum and attach the throttle body as close as possible. You can get more power with a really good manifold, but it will cost a lot of money and time to make. Your 20b is enough for any Cozy. Adding 5 or 10 hp is not worth the effort!!!!!!!  been there, done that.

 

Bob

 

-------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>: --------------

Steve,  I would buy a PSRU next – then with the motor mount, the engine and the PSRU you have the length of your cowl and most of the space laid out under cowl – well, a lot of it any way.  Then you can start making decisions about what else will now fit – like radiators, oil cooler etc.  I don’t think you can effectively plan for the other stuff under the cowl until you have those three major components in place. 

 

Just my 0.02 worth

 

Ed

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Parkins
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:50 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

 

just crawling here, would like to walk.
sorry for the dumb questions in advance !
i have a fw,mount,old 20b,intake.
what would you buy next ?

i kinda work with 500 a month but have 1000 to spend a month ,so you can see my dilemma.

 

steve parkins




 


To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
From: lendich@aanet.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:10:57 +1000
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

Ed,

Would your EFISM be advantageous to a carb set-up or do you have to have the electronics of the EC2 and sensors etc.

George (down under)

 

Thanks for the kind words about the EFISM, Jeff.  I think most folks will find that being able to graphically see their fuel MAP/MCT makes it much easier to understand what your engine is doing and how well your MAP is adjusted  – the only two units offered  that are capable of doing this (that I am aware of)

Is Tracy’s RWL excellent EM2/3 system and my EFISM.  Either one will provide this capability.

 

You can certainly tune and fly safely without either of these units to monitor/adjust your MAP – I did it for years.  However, I never could eliminate my staging bog (for example) until I watch the air/fuel ratio indicator and the fuel MAP as the engine operating point approached the staging point.  For whatever the reason, my A/F ratio  would take a nose dive toward the lean side just before staging – causing a temporary (but annoying) hesitation or bog.  Using the graphical display I began increasing the richness of each bin as the A/F indicated lean and  advance bin by bin making this adjustment until after increasing 4-6 bins just before the staging point, my staging bog has completely disappeared.

 

It is also difficult (at least for me) to try to tune the EC2 by advancing the manifold pressure ½” Hg  at a time to activate each bin.  I also found (using the EFISM), that when I adjusted the value of the bin my engine was operating on – that change (rich or lean) invariably cause the engine to change operating conditions – just enough so that it would shift to the adjacent bin or two – so I was no longer tuning the same bin as a moment before.  I know some can do it by hear – Tracy for example – but, for me visual was much easier to do.

 

In any case whether Tracy’s EM2/3 or my EFISM – I think most will find a graphical representation easier to work with.

 

Ed


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:05 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC2 and Ed's EFISM - a great combination

 

The following is an excerpt from a Mike Wills post several months ago:

 

“Anyone trying to tune up Tracy's EC2 without either having an EM2/3 or Ed Anderson's EFISM, you're wasting your time. I spent the better part of a year tweaking the MAP table and thought I had it pretty well done. On my first flight I spent a fair amount of time fiddling with mixtures and had a couple of rough running spots. I installed Ed's EFISM and spent 2 days tweaking. In the process I got the engine running smoother than it ever has and now have it is idling nicely at 1350 RPM. That’s 300 RPM lower than I was ever able to get it previously. In my opinion you really HAVE to have some sort of indication of what is loaded in the MAP table to effectively tune it.”

 

I whole-heartedly agree!! I installed ED’s EFISM last night and was anxious to see my MCT – let’s just say it was a mess. There were a few points, mostly around the staging area, where I could see that some tuning had taken place; however, there were several locations with wild swings from one bin to the next. These wild variations appeared in the middle of the high rpm band where the engine has spent very little time, as I’m usually near idle or WOT – but man it sure is nice to actually see what’s going on.

Jeff



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