Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4688
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Air Density at altitude
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:42:47 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
 

>
> > Found a table of air density vs Altitude
> >
> > Sea level Density = .00237 Slug/Ft^3
> > Density at 20,000 = 0.001267 Slug/Ft^3 or a 47% decrease
> >
> > So taking formula for air mass  W = p*V*A with p 47% less than at sea
> level
> > means you would get 47% less air mass flow (with the same cubic
> feet/minute
> > of air volume flow) at 20,000 ft compared to what you would get at sea
> level
> > for the same volume flow.
> >
> > While cooler temps would help, it would not compensate for a 45% less air
> > mass flow.
> >
> > Ed
>
> But Jim does have a point.
> Indicated Air Speed should be an indication of mass air right?
> So if it cools enough at X mph IAS, it will work at any altitude at X mph
> IAS?
> And this should mean that the cooler air would give an advantage as the mass
> air is cooler.
>
> P.S.
> I, as many I am sure, deeply appreciate your work in our behalf.  If we may
> ever assist you please let us know.
>
 
Thanks, Eric! how much money can you spare? {:>)
 
 
I don't really know the answer, doesn't seem unreasonable, but I think we can check that theory fairly easily.

Lets consider that point. Will IAS provide an indication of air mass flow if the IAS is the same at two different altitudes? 
 
 The same indicated air speed at any altitude implies that the dynamic pressure (as that is what the pitot tube measures) is the same.  Again looking at our two equations we have
 
Pd = 1/2*p*V^2   (dynamic pressure) and W = p*V*A (for mass flow)
 
Were p is density and V velocity and A area of our duct (1ft^2)
 
The density at sea level is 0.00237 Slug/ft^3 whereas the density at 20000 ft is 0.001267 slug/ft^3 according to the chart I have.
 
So if we have the same indicated airspeed at both altitudes then that means the dynamic pressure is the same at both altitudes.  Dynamic pressure at sea level for 120 mph TAS (has to be true airspeed for V as that is the speed at which we are moving through the air mass) = .00237*(176 ft/sec)^2 =.00237*30976 = 73.41312 lbf/ft^2 = 73.4/144 = 0.51 psi dynamic pressure.
 
So 0.51psi gives us an indicated airspeed of  X IAS (would have to know, temperature, pressure altitute, instrument and installation errors to really get IAS from this) for 120MPH TAS at sea level.
 
and at sea level the Mass flow = 0.00237 *(176 ft/sec)*(1 ft^3) = 0.41712 Slug/Sec
 
So lets now go to 20,000 altitude.
 
Now while we don't know what X IAS was a sea level, but we know we want it to be the same so that means the same dynamic pressure has to be present in the pitot tube.
 
So Pd = 0.51 psi =73.4 lbf/ft^2 has to be the same at 20,000 as it was  at sea level  to give us the same IAS.  So working backwards  and recalling that the density is now 0.001267 slug/ft^3
 
Pd = 1/2*p*V^2 and solving for V^2 = 2*Pd/p and V = Squareroot(2*Pd/p)
 
V (TAS) = Sqrt(2*Pd/p) = sqrt(2*73.4 lbf/ft^2/.001267 slug/ft^3) = sqrt(115864) =340 ft/sec  = 232 mph TAS.
 
So to get the same indicated airspeed at sea level given by a true air speed of 120mph we would have to be traveling at 232 MPH TAS at 20,000 ft.
 
So looking at out mass flow again at this true airspeed (232mph) and air density(.001267)
 
W = .001267 slug/ft^3*(340 ft/sec)(1 ft^2) = 0.4307 slug/sec of mass flow
 
So comparing our sea level mass flow of 0.417 slug/sec with that at 20,000 of 0.4307 slug/sec
there is only an approx 3% difference (could be I lost it rounding numbers, but in any case not signficantly different)
 
So, unless I've screwed up the math badly,  it does indeed appears that indicated airspeed provides a fairly good indication of mass flow at any reasonable altitude provided we are not so fast as to encounter compressibility.
 
Ed Anderson
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