Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4587
From: <echristley@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] EWP pressure or flow
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:07:41 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I finally got through to the archives, and found the numbers stated as one EWP producing 45 liters/min and two in series producing ~56 liters/min.  But against what head pressure?

I searched all over Davie-Craig's website.  While they quote flowrate all over the place, they never state how much head pressure these pumps will create.  I'm still trying to work up feasibility numbers for relocating the rads to the back of the plane, and expect much higher than normal back pressure.  Is there a way to calculate out these sort of numbers?
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Mark;

 

Everyone has their own idea about what's safe and what isn't; but to me
a small, quality, silicone based heater hose through the firewall is
preferable to a large air duct.  Even standard small diameter hoses (1/2
or 5/8) work in cars for 20 years.  (My '83 van with 255K miles still
has all the original heater hoses).

 

I went to NAPA and paged through their catalog of heater cores until I
found what I wanted; 6" x 6" x 2" (I think goes to an old Ford van).  I
built a housing for it, added a centrifugal fan from Lincoln Surplus.
It mounts in the back of the cabin on my Velocity, ducts going forward,
and has a standard automotive cable control valve in the water circuit
that I can adjust from up front.  Also has 2-speed blower. Hasn't flown
yet, but in tests it makes a LOT of heat.  

 

(It helps in making a housing if you are not fiberglass challenged).

 

Al

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Heaters/defrosters

 

Is there a "best practice" for cabin heat/defrost systems for rotary

a/c.  Those of you that are flying, how did you approach this item.  It

seems to me that with all that heat going out the tailpipe, it is a

no-brainer... except for the carbon-monoxide thing.  Then again, I don't


want to be scalded with hot ethylene-glycol either.  The exhaust muff
seems

like the lighter and simpler solution.  On the other hand, with proper

ducting, the heater core could add extra cooling during climb-out.

 

Comments welcome,

Mark S. (hot oil exchanger is out of the question)

 

 

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
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font-family:Verdana'>Mark;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Everyone has their own idea about what&#8217;s safe =
and
what isn&#8217;t; but to me a small, quality, silicone based heater hose
through the firewall is preferable to a large air duct. &nbsp;Even =
standard
small diameter hoses (1/2 or 5/8) work in cars for 20 years.&nbsp; (My =
&#8217;83
van with 255K miles still has all the original heater =
hoses).</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I went to </span></font><font face=3DVerdana><span
  style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>NAPA</span></font><font =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'> and paged through their catalog of heater =
cores until
I found what I wanted; 6&#8221; x 6&#8221; x 2&#8221; (I think goes to =
an old
Ford van).&nbsp; I built a housing for it, added a centrifugal fan from =
Lincoln
Surplus.&nbsp; It mounts in the back of the cabin on my Velocity, ducts =
going
forward, and has a standard automotive cable control valve in the water =
circuit
that I can adjust from up front.&nbsp; Also has 2-speed blower. =
Hasn&#8217;t
flown yet, but in tests it makes a </span></font><font =
face=3DVerdana><span
 style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>LOT</span></font><font =
face=3DVerdana><span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'> of heat.&nbsp; </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>(It helps in making a housing if you are not =
fiberglass
challenged).</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Al</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On =
Behalf
Of Mark Steitle<br>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:02 PM<br>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft<br>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Heaters/defrosters</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Is
there a &quot;best practice&quot; for cabin heat/defrost systems for =
rotary </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>a/c.&nbsp;
Those of you that are flying, how did you approach this item.&nbsp; It =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>seems
to me that with all that heat going out the tailpipe, it is a =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>no-brainer...
except for the carbon-monoxide thing.&nbsp; Then again, I don't =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>want
to be scalded with hot ethylene-glycol either.&nbsp; The exhaust muff =
seems </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>like
the lighter and simpler solution.&nbsp; On the other hand, with proper =
</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>ducting,
the heater core could add extra cooling during =
climb-out.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Comments
welcome,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Mark
S. (hot oil exchanger is out of the question)</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DNimrod><span =
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