X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3565304 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:14:46 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090331041409.JRPD15318.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:14:09 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.85.56]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id ZgE61b0031CvZmk03gE8zg; Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:14:08 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KR-xbcNurUwA:10 a=BVHQQ6uJekAA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=QdXCYpuVAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=UretUmmEAAAA:8 a=zwR4JSQIAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=0R5stiUIHXiHWg0TVLIA:9 a=ujth4H5GBBJcTrfT380A:7 a=XCreOd8f22ZUWa8KezM3HIfnnl8A:4 a=IsUHOSoT7wwA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=Qrnu-DRc8AWfUoqY:21 a=_HLqUSLMj0IVcrfa:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=lfypd7UVnNP20TfWizUA:9 a=FRgSCM8J83JtzfPe15YA:7 a=AvMTXf57L0oCxKJsvZBzyECpIbwA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <006201c9b1b7$1f3a3650$38556944@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Video of First Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B Rotary Engine Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:14:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9B17C.72857620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9B17C.72857620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, Your report sounds real similar to mine (well except for the speeds - my = airspeed indicator was pretty useless on my first flight; oh and I didnt = have that exciting wing drop on landing). But it sounds like you have = the cooling system pretty well nailed. I havent had any cooling issues = so far either. Pretty happy about that. Keep the reports coming. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rogers, Bob J.=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Video of First Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B = Rotary Engine Ed, =20 On takeoff, the turbo engine was producing 38 inches of manifold = pressure and I still had 1/3 of my throttle left. Because I have an = aggressively pitched prop (68x 84), I think there was a little blade = stall until I got more speed. I climbed out at 120 mph and over 1,000 = fpm. I did not feel any "P" effect, but I may have been too excited to = notice. The controls are well balanced and the plane will stay wherever = you point it, hands off. My only problem so far is that the right wing = stalls first and causes a sharp wing drop. The published fix is to make = the outer leading edge more rounded on the right wing. After some = re-shaping, the stall was much improved on the second flight, but I = still need to do a little more work on the right wing to get it to stall = at the same time as the left wing. =20 The nose is longer than usual. I moved the seats back some and added = additional baggage space behind the seats, which called for more weight = on the nose. Based on my original W&B estimates, that is where the = engine should have been placed. It gave me enough room to place the = radiator and oil cooler between the engine and firewall. As it turned = out, the plane was slightly nose heavy with the battery on the firewall, = so I repositioned the battery in the tail. Now the W&B is perfect. As a = bonus, the battery is out of the engine compartment where it would have = gotten a lot of heat and there is more room on the firewall for cooling = air to exit. So far, I have been able to idle on the ground for over 25 = minutes without any overheating. My cowl flap can be opened wide or = closed to adjust for temperature needs. Even on climb out, the engine = barely got up to operating temp (180 degrees) with the cowl flap half = open. Yesterday, on the second flight, I closed the cowl flap = completely and ran the engine up to about 32 inches of manifold pressure = and got 190 on water temp after about five minutes. Speed was only 170 = mph (4800 rpm) at 3,500 feet and OAT was 55 degrees F. When it gets hot = during the summer months, cooling may be marginal at high power = settings. With the turbo, I should be able to fly at higher altitudes = where it is cooler and I can go faster. Time will tell. Right now, I = am happy just to be flying instead of building. =20 Bob =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 9:32 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Video of First Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B = Rotary Engine =20 Great looking flight, Bob!! =20 Looks like you took off less than WOT during initial roll and then = applied more power near/after lift off based on the sound track I heard. = I presume appreciable "P" effect? Let us know what the numbers look = like on your next flights - temps as well as performance. =20 Great to see a project get airborne, congratulations again!! =20 Best Regards =20 Ed =20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Rogers, Bob J. Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:13 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Video of First Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B Rotary = Engine =20 =20 If you are interested, there is a video of my first flight at this = link. http://www.eaa1246.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36 =20 I have a lot of good friends who helped me make the event a success. = They took pictures and video and were there to support me. =20 I did my second flight yesterday and all went well. The landing was = much better. =20 =20 Bob =20 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus = signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C9B17C.72857620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
 
Your report sounds real similar to mine = (well=20 except for the speeds - my airspeed indicator was pretty useless on my = first=20 flight; oh and I didnt have that exciting wing drop on landing). But it = sounds=20 like you have the cooling system pretty well nailed. I havent had any = cooling=20 issues so far either. Pretty happy about that.
 
Keep the reports coming.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rogers, = Bob J.=20
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 = 9:07=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Video = of First=20 Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B Rotary Engine

Ed,

 

On takeoff, the turbo engine = was=20 producing 38 inches of manifold pressure and I still had 1/3 of my = throttle=20 left.  Because I have an = aggressively pitched prop (68x 84), I think there was a little blade = stall=20 until I got more speed.  = I climbed=20 out at 120 mph and over 1,000 fpm. =20 I did not feel any =93P=94 effect, but I may have been too = excited to=20 notice.  The controls = are well=20 balanced and the plane will stay wherever you point it, hands = off.  My only problem so far is = that the=20 right wing stalls first and causes a sharp wing drop.  The published fix is to make = the outer=20 leading edge more rounded on the right wing.  After some re-shaping, the = stall was=20 much improved on the second flight, but I still need to do a little = more work=20 on the right wing to get it to stall at the same time as the left=20 wing.

 

The nose is longer than usual. = I moved=20 the seats back some and added additional baggage space behind the = seats, which=20 called for more weight on the nose. =20 Based on my original W&B estimates, that is where the = engine should=20 have been placed.  It = gave me=20 enough room to place the radiator and oil cooler between the engine = and=20 firewall.   As it = turned out,=20 the plane was slightly nose heavy with the battery on the firewall, so = I=20 repositioned the battery in the tail. =20 Now the W&B is perfect. As a bonus, the battery is = out of=20 the engine compartment where it would have gotten a lot of heat and = there is=20 more room on the firewall for cooling air to exit.  So far, I have been able to = idle on=20 the ground for over 25 minutes without any overheating.  My cowl flap can be opened = wide or=20 closed to adjust for temperature needs. =20 Even on climb out, the engine barely got up to operating temp = (180=20 degrees) with the cowl flap half open. =20 Yesterday, on the second flight, I closed the cowl flap = completely and=20 ran the engine up to about 32 inches of manifold pressure and got 190 = on water=20 temp after about five minutes.  = Speed was only 170 mph (4800 rpm) at 3,500 feet and OAT was 55 = degrees=20 F.  When it gets hot = during the=20 summer months, cooling may be marginal at high power settings.  With the turbo, I should be = able to=20 fly at higher altitudes where it is cooler and I can go faster.  Time will tell.  Right now, I am happy just = to be=20 flying instead of building.

 

Bob

 

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 = 9:32=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Video = of First=20 Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B Rotary = Engine

 

Great = looking flight,=20 Bob!!

 

Looks like = you took=20 off less than WOT during initial roll and then applied more power = near/after=20 lift off based on the sound track I heard.  I presume appreciable = =93P=94=20 effect?  Let us know what the numbers look like on your next = flights =96=20 temps as well as performance.

 

Great to = see a=20 project get airborne, congratulations = again!!

 

Best=20 Regards

 

Ed

 

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A=20 N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

http://www.flyrotary.com/

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW<= o:p>

http://www.r= otaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Rogers, Bob=20 J.
Sent:=20 Monday, March 30, 2009 10:13 AM
To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Video of = First=20 Flight - Mustang II w/ 13B Rotary = Engine

 

 

If you are interested, = there is a=20 video of my first flight at this link.  http://www.eaa12= 46.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36

 

I have a lot of good = friends who=20 helped me make the event a success.  They took pictures and video = and=20 were there to support me.

 

I did my second flight = yesterday=20 and all went well.  The landing was much=20 better.

 

 

Bob

 



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