X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from host.roblinphoto.com ([72.52.218.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPS id 3522866 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:24:55 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.52.218.78; envelope-from=bob@bob-white.com Received: from c-68-35-128-192.hsd1.nm.comcast.net ([68.35.128.192]:59926 helo=quail) by host.roblinphoto.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LdylP-0006Lp-Dd for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:24:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 20:24:18 -0700 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Questions on buying a rotary plane Message-Id: <20090301202418.9651fd81.bob@bob-white.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.roblinphoto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bob-white.com Hi William, You can do anything and everything to your homebuilt just as if you had built it yourself. I purchased a BD-4 without an engine, installed a complete rotary FWF, and made other modifications to such as new seats, vortex generators on the wings, etc. You do have to get an A & P to check the plane each year. You cannot get the repairman certificate because only one can be issued for any given homebuilt. Even the original builder isn't guaranteed to get it although I haven't heard of a case where it wasn't given. If there are several builders, only one can get it. The inspection is called a condition inspection, not an annual inspection. In my case, the operating limitations were of the old variety and they that said any major modification results in the Special Airworthiness Certificate being cancelled. As a result I had to go through the complete DAR approval process also. The newer operating limitations aren't written that way any more, and if the plane you purchase has the older one, get the owner to update to the newer before you purchase it or at least do it yourself before you make any major modifications. I would suggest that you ask around your local EAA chapter to find an A & P that's familiar with the rules for homebuilts and would be willing to do the inspection on your plane. Bob W. On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:47:21 -0800 William Wilson wrote: > I am in the market for a plane and would prefer a rotary-powered, as I have > lots of experience working with rotary engines. As a bonus, homebuilt > planes all seem to get about twice as much fuel economy as factory built > planes. So that is nice too. I know there are a few rotary powered planes > available for sale, but not too many. > > I have neither the time nor desire to build my own plane, so my question is > more about maintenance and inspections. I'm not an official A&P and I don't > know if I will be able to find an A&P to work on a home built plane with a > car engine in it! I am happy to do engine maintenance, but am not entirely > clear on the legality of it, since I would not be the original builder. > > Similarly when it is eventually time for an engine rebuild, would I be able > to remove the engine, take it down to Atkins (who are not far from me) and > have them rebuild it, or rebuild it myself, and then reinstall it, and find > an A&P to just sign off on the work? > > Plan B is to buy whatever plane even if it has a Lycosaurus, but when time > for overhaul comes, get rid of the Lycoming and replace it with a rotary. > Thought in this case is to get the rotary tuned, a little broken in and > running on a stand in the hangar in advance, so that when the time comes to > do the swap it can be done with a minimum of downtime. (I know it cannot > really be tuned for altitude in this way but it is better than nothing!). > But again, the fact that I would not be the original builder makes me worry > about legalities. I have heard that this has been done so question is more > about the how. > > I do not really understand all the law involved and hopefully somebody here > can help. Thanks! > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/