David,

Where in Houston are you.  As I think I have mentioned, my project is at Ellington Field...uh, I mean Ellington Airport...the city just "upgraded" the name.

I too hope to turbo....even though if you read my last post it seems as if I can't seem to move past cooling issues.

All the best,

Chris Barber
www.LoneStarVelocity.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moyer" <davidm@remconinc.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:01 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Current Turbos being Used

I'm close to Houston. I guess I would be a long way away then. Guess I forgot you moved.

I was kind of having the feeling that it would be better to go ahead  with the turbo setup. The cars I've built in the past I've always  found it best to do it rightthe first time is best. It may cost a bit  extra in the begining, but saves tons of time and money in the long run.

My plane is also a Cozy MK-IV, and yes it is a Cosmo. Are you saying  that the cosmo is going to require more cooling than a standard 13B? I  am sure that with the turbo and the high compression rotors it will be  putting out lots of heat. I do have one of the  3rd gen oil coolers  that I can use for trial fitting, I guess I need to look for another  one. I have been thinking of suplimental cooling via electric fans for  oil and coolant.

Maybe this is a question for the CA list, but do you know of any one running cowl flaps to exhaust the heat from the engine?

On your turbo setup, did you go with the ceramic bearing option?

What about the turbine wheel F1 62, 65 or 68?

What about compressor trim 50 (2.122/3.000) or the Super 50 (2.122/3.200)?

Are you still running a stock intercooler or did you end up upgrading?

David Moyer

On Jan 24, 2009, at 7:26 PM, John Slade <sladerj@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I'm not sure where you are, David, but I'd guess that you'd have to  go up, not down to pay a visit. I moved to Connecticut. The plane is  based at KWST, (Westerly, RI.)

>Unless some one can give me a good reason to just go for it.
My thoughts on that were that a turbo and non turbo installation are sufficiently different that converting would involve more effort  than just doing it right the first time. To get an NA install  running properly you need to pay a lot of attention to ram air and  intake optimization, and you need to come up with some sort of  muffler. Obviously the turbo doesn't need ram air, so your intake  arrangement can be dedicated to cooling, and the turbo acts as a  pretty good muffler. Exhaust augmented cooling can be arranged with  either, but they'd be different.

Why not set up for the turbo, but limit the boost to something  really low - like 5 psi - then gradually increase the boost?

On the oil cooler, a few people have had trouble with aftermarket coolers not taking the pressure. I went with two 3rd gen oil coolers  in series. They're more square than the long thin 2nd gen. It  depends on the aircraft type I guess, but these fit well either side  of my plenum in the Cozy. You're going to need lots of oil cooling  on that engine - It's a cosmo, right?
Regards,
John

David Moyer wrote:

Thanks for the update John. Very nice setup. I woulndn't mind  coming to check out your Cozy if I get down your way. I was  plannimg on going to Sun-N-Fun, but i decided to take the time and  money and put it into the plane.
Glad to you got the bugs worked out and that gives a good starting point. I am probably going to get the engine going with out the  turbo at first to eliminate other issues and add it later. Unless  some one can give me a good reason to just go for it.

I am building the test stand for it the weekend and a mocked up firewall for trial fitting components. I am thinking of going to a beefed up oil coolercover the stock unit that Buly was running with  the engine. Any thoughts?
David Moyer

On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:30 PM, John Slade <sladerj@sbcglobal.net <mailto:sladerj@sbcglobal.net
>> wrote:

Hi David,
I have over 50 hours on the Turbonetics "big shaft" with no  problems.
Detailed specs for the turbo are listed in paragraph "turbo  homework" on my web site,
See: http://canardaviation.com/cozy/chap29h.htm
Regards,
John
/Friends don't let friends fly stock turbos
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