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Paul,
That sounds like a good plan. My only comment is to not get too worked up over it being a "Lancair". I had been told the ES flies like a 172, very docile and predictable, and its true. I had asked around and couldn't find anyone locally that would let me fly left seat in their ES, even tried taking instruction in a Cirrus (the jerks at the flight school wouldn't even reutrn my pnone calls).
So, I went to plan B. Before I flew my ES, I got an hour of instruction in a 182RG with C/S prop. That got me my high-performance and complex endorsements. To get used to flying a side stick, I practiced on Flight Simulator with a joystick (left hand) until it felt natural. I also did a lot of fast taxi runs, getting used to keeping it going straight down the runway, getting the feel of how much right rudder would be required, and raising the nose to see how it felt and looked out the windscreen in climb and flair; and getting used to the additional power of the 3-rotor. When the day came, I didn't have any trouble flying the ES. I don't recommend this approach with a IV-P, Legacy, 360, etc. I'm not saying not to get adequate training, only to not get too worked up over it being a "Lancair", therefore extrememly difficult to fly.
Mark
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:51 AM, <fpbjr2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
ed
in this market i do not think it will sell so if i pass my medical next month i'm going to do a condition inspection on it and build my 10 hrs high performance time my DAR said i needed before i fly it. if i can settle all issues with lou i will fly it.
may see you at sun-n-fun whether we have the plane or not.
paul brannon N117ES
--- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:43 PM
> Hi Paul,
>
> Good to hear from you. Thanks for the real figures on your
> turbo 3 rotor,
> couldn't remember them offhand.
>
> I hope the "may fly yet" means it stays in the
> family? Or do you simply
> have a good home for it?
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
>
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>
> Matthews, NC
>
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
> http://www.andersonee.com
>
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of fpbjr2001@yahoo.com
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
>
> ed
> dyno reading of 580hp with 10 lbs boost and 386 ft/lb
> torque at 5500 rpm.
> not sold yet. and may fly yet.
> paul brannon N117ES
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run /
> 20B numbers
> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:10 PM
> > Should be a fire belching dragon of an engine at over
> 15psi,
> > Greg.
> >
> >
> >
> > 15 Psi boost would be roughly 60" Hg of boost
> which
> > at an A/F ratio of 12
> > (assume you would run it a bit rich at those boost
> levels)
> > would give at
> > 6000 rpm approx 550 HP burning 51 gph (more power at
> high
> > rpm and boost
> > naturally) and producing a total of 25000 BTU/Min of
> heat
> > to be dumped
> > through the radiator and oil cooler. Boy, you will
> produce
> > more heat energy
> > that gets dumped through your oil cooler (8484
> BTU/Min)
> > than my total
> > (coolant and oil heat) entire engine puts out. Hope
> you
> > have big radiators
> > and oil cooler {:>).
> >
> >
> >
> > A couple of guys in South Carolina had a turbo 3 rotor
> that
> > they stated
> > produced over 500 HP on the dyno. It flew, but
> > unfortunately only one
> > flight, before one of the partners decided they were
> not
> > true experimenters
> > and they decided to sell the project. It was really a
> nice
> > looking set up
> > on a Lancair ES.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Greg Ward
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:53 AM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run /
> 20B
> > numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Ed;
> >
> > We are running a 4088 Garrett hair dryer, starting at
> about
> > 15# of boost,
> > and are extensively flow testing both the exhaust and
> > induction for best
> > efficiency/output. That's why the pictures, show
> > everything a little bit
> > different from what everyone else has done. Trying
> for
> > optimum runner
> > length, as little back pressure as possible, early
> heat
> > removal, etc.
> > Haven't got any real numbers down yet, until we
> > (finally) get on the dyno
> > but based on what a stock 360hp Cosmo gets for
> mileage, and
> > going from
> > there, we are convinced that fuel flows should be
> pretty
> > good. That's why
> > they call it "experimental".....(:-)
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Ed <mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> Anderson
> >
> >
> > To: Rotary <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > motors in aircraft
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:42 AM
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> > numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Greg, well, if the fuel burn figure reported was
> correct
> > - then the HP
> > figures I calculated are in the ball park.
> >
> >
> >
> > We know the 3 rotor is capable of producing
> considerably
> > more power at sea
> > level (per Al's dyno run with his 3 rotor) with
> the
> > higher air density.
> > However, at altitude the upper limit would naturally
> be
> > less due to the less
> > dense air to support combustion, unless you are
> running
> > some sort of forced
> > induction as in a turbo, supercharger or perhaps
> nitrous
> > oxide chemical
> > enhancement.
> >
> >
> >
> > But if the fuel burn was 15 gph, then it does not
> matter
> > whether it was a 2
> > rotor, 3 rotor or 1 rotor (a 1 rotor would really have
> to
> > be screaming to
> > burn at that rate {:>)), the approx HP equation
> is:
> >
> >
> >
> > HP = (Gallon/Hour) *( 6 lb gasoline/gallon ) /BSFC =
> > 15*6/0.55 = 90/0.55 =
> > 163 HP.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now if you choose a different BSFC such as 0.49 then
> you
> > get a better
> > conversion. But, I tend to be conservative in my
> > estimates.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Greg Ward
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:20 AM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Agree to that. Our projections on the turbo 20B are
> much
> > higher than that.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Al Gietzen <mailto:ALVentures@cox.net>
> >
> > To: Rotary <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > motors in aircraft
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:13 PM
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed;
> >
> >
> >
> > Seems like your numbers are about 100 hp - or maybe
> one
> > rotor - too low.
> >
> >
> >
> > Al G
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Ed Anderson
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:34 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B
> numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug, at 15 gph at 6000 rpm, Mark would be making
> approx
> > 165 HP, perhaps a
> > bit more, using a very conservative BSFC of 0.55. If
> you
> > assume a bit
> > better BSFC of 0.49 it would be around 183 HP.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> >
> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >
> > Matthews, NC
> >
> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >
> > <http://www.andersonee.com>
> > http://www.andersonee.com
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >
> > http://www.flyrotary.com/
> >
> >
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
> >
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >
> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html>
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of DLOMHEIM@aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:38 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark:
> >
> >
> >
> > Great story...thanks for posting it! At 6,000 rpm and
> 15
> > gph, how many HP
> > do you think you're developing?
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, have you by chance flown side by side with
> another
> > Lycoming powered ES
> > for comparison purposes? If so what did you learn?
> >
> >
> >
> > We're going to have a couple of "burger
> > burns" at our airport ((2OK2) just
> > east of Tinker AFB) this Spring / Summer, so maybe
> > you'll feel like going on
> > a short cross country up this way and show our little
> EAA
> > chapter what a
> > three rotor looks and sounds like?!
> >
> >
> >
> > Blue Skies
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > RV-9A, 13B
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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