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greg all this going in a legacy. you are going to have a real hot rod. like you already know cooling will be the issue. do not be afraid to oversize a little. like i said good job on the motor. paul brannon N117ES --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> wrote: > From: Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:42 PM > Hey Paul; Appreciate the info. > The FIRST consideration was the redrive, and after a lot of > conversations with Tracy, Craig Catto, and Bob Wirth, we > came to the conclusion that 450+ hp at take-off was o.k., > then pull it back to 55-75% for cruise. That plywood > firewall is a little undersized, and we have been fitting as > we go along. But at this point, a couple more bubbles one > way or the other, oh well. Guaranteed, it ain't going > to look like a stock Legacy......(:-) > Greg Ward > Lancair 20B N178RG in progress > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > <fpbjr2001@yahoo.com> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:10 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > numbers > > > > greg > > i do not know what you want but here goes. > > the idea with the engine was to have the most hp with > the least amount of boost so the the turbo would not work > very much so it will last longer. i feel it will fail first > in the system. the engine is street ported and the turbo is > a to4 (.96 cold side) with 3 lb. spring so the engine should > turbo normalize at 300-330 hp. i have a bypass regulator so > i can adjust boost pressure up to higher levels. if i get > this checked out i'm going to add a pop off at 8-10 lbs > so i can't over boost the system. > > i don't know if you have thought but the limiting > factor is the gearbox. tracy says 300 hp continuous. these > numbers are Conservative. but i feel we are in territory > that has not been tested very much. > > beautiful work on your engine. i have one question. > are you sure your intake is low enough to clear the cowlng. > i had to redo the intake 3 times to get it low enough to > clear my cowling. beautiful work! > > > > paul brannon N117ES > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Greg Ward > <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> wrote: > > > >> From: Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> > >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ > Run / 20B numbers > >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 8:35 PM > >> Hi Paul; > >> I would be real interested in what you've been > doing, > >> as it sounds close to > >> what we are trying to accomplish. Any info would > be > >> appreciated, and as we > >> finally get on the dyno, we will do the same. > >> Greg Ward > >> Lancair 20B in progress > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed > Anderson" > >> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > >> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:43 PM > >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ > Run / 20B > >> numbers > >> > >> > >> > Hi Paul, > >> > > >> > Good to hear from you. Thanks for the real > figures on > >> your turbo 3 rotor, > >> > couldn't remember them offhand. > >> > > >> > I hope the "may fly yet" means it > stays in > >> the family? Or do you simply > >> > have a good home for it? > >> > > >> > Ed > >> > > >> > Ed Anderson > >> > > >> > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >> > > >> > Matthews, NC > >> > > >> > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > >> > > >> > http://www.andersonee.com > >> > > >> > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > >> > > >> > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> > > >> > > >> > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> > Behalf Of fpbjr2001@yahoo.com > >> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:31 PM > >> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's > BBQ Run / > >> 20B numbers > >> > > >> > ed > >> > dyno reading of 580hp with 10 lbs boost and > 386 ft/lb > >> torque at 5500 rpm. > >> > not sold yet. and may fly yet. > >> > paul brannon N117ES > >> > > >> > > >> > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson > >> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: Ed Anderson > >> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : > Mark's BBQ > >> Run / 20B numbers > >> >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > >> <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > >> >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:10 PM > >> >> Should be a fire belching dragon of an > engine at > >> over 15psi, > >> >> Greg. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 15 Psi boost would be roughly 60" > Hg of > >> boost which > >> >> at an A/F ratio of 12 > >> >> (assume you would run it a bit rich at > those boost > >> levels) > >> >> would give at > >> >> 6000 rpm approx 550 HP burning 51 gph > (more power > >> at high > >> >> rpm and boost > >> >> naturally) and producing a total of > 25000 > >> BTU/Min of heat > >> >> to be dumped > >> >> through the radiator and oil cooler. > Boy, you > >> will produce > >> >> more heat energy > >> >> that gets dumped through your oil cooler > (8484 > >> BTU/Min) > >> >> than my total > >> >> (coolant and oil heat) entire engine puts > out. > >> Hope you > >> >> have big radiators > >> >> and oil cooler {:>). > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> A couple of guys in South Carolina had a > turbo 3 > >> rotor that > >> >> they stated > >> >> produced over 500 HP on the dyno. It > flew, but > >> >> unfortunately only one > >> >> flight, before one of the partners > decided they > >> were not > >> >> true experimenters > >> >> and they decided to sell the project. It > was > >> really a nice > >> >> looking set up > >> >> on a Lancair ES. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed Anderson > >> >> > >> >> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >> >> > >> >> Matthews, NC > >> >> > >> >> eanderson@carolina.rr.com > >> >> > >> >> <http://www.andersonee.com> > >> >> http://www.andersonee.com > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > >> >> > >> >> http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> > <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm> > >> >> > >> > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> > >> >> _____ > >> >> > >> >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> >> Behalf Of Greg Ward > >> >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:53 AM > >> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : > Mark's BBQ > >> Run / 20B > >> >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hey Ed; > >> >> > >> >> We are running a 4088 Garrett hair dryer, > starting > >> at about > >> >> 15# of boost, > >> >> and are extensively flow testing both the > exhaust > >> and > >> >> induction for best > >> >> efficiency/output. That's why the > pictures, > >> show > >> >> everything a little bit > >> >> different from what everyone else has > done. > >> Trying for > >> >> optimum runner > >> >> length, as little back pressure as > possible, early > >> heat > >> >> removal, etc. > >> >> Haven't got any real numbers down > yet, until > >> we > >> >> (finally) get on the dyno > >> >> but based on what a stock 360hp Cosmo > gets for > >> mileage, and > >> >> going from > >> >> there, we are convinced that fuel flows > should be > >> pretty > >> >> good. That's why > >> >> they call it > "experimental".....(:-) > >> >> > >> >> Greg > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> >> From: Ed > <mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com> > >> Anderson > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> To: Rotary > >> <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > >> >> motors in aircraft > >> >> > >> >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:42 AM > >> >> > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] HP was : Mark's > BBQ Run / > >> 20B > >> >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi Greg, well, if the fuel burn figure > reported > >> was correct > >> >> - then the HP > >> >> figures I calculated are in the ball > park. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> We know the 3 rotor is capable of > producing > >> considerably > >> >> more power at sea > >> >> level (per Al's dyno run with his 3 > rotor) > >> with the > >> >> higher air density. > >> >> However, at altitude the upper limit > would > >> naturally be > >> >> less due to the less > >> >> dense air to support combustion, unless > you are > >> running > >> >> some sort of forced > >> >> induction as in a turbo, supercharger or > perhaps > >> nitrous > >> >> oxide chemical > >> >> enhancement. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> But if the fuel burn was 15 gph, then it > does not > >> matter > >> >> whether it was a 2 > >> >> rotor, 3 rotor or 1 rotor (a 1 rotor > would really > >> have to > >> >> be screaming to > >> >> burn at that rate {:>)), the approx > HP > >> equation is: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> HP = (Gallon/Hour) *( 6 lb > gasoline/gallon ) /BSFC > >> = > >> >> 15*6/0.55 = 90/0.55 = > >> >> 163 HP. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Now if you choose a different BSFC such > as 0.49 > >> then you > >> >> get a better > >> >> conversion. But, I tend to be > conservative in my > >> >> estimates. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Best Regards > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed Anderson > >> >> > >> >> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >> >> > >> >> Matthews, NC > >> >> > >> >> eanderson@carolina.rr.com > >> >> > >> >> <http://www.andersonee.com> > >> >> http://www.andersonee.com > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > >> >> > >> >> http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> > <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm> > >> >> > >> > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _____ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> >> Behalf Of Greg Ward > >> >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:20 AM > >> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ > Run / 20B > >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Agree to that. Our projections on the > turbo 20B > >> are much > >> >> higher than that. > >> >> > >> >> Greg > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> >> From: Al Gietzen > <mailto:ALVentures@cox.net> > >> >> > >> >> To: Rotary > >> <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > >> >> motors in aircraft > >> >> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:13 PM > >> >> > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ > Run / 20B > >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed; > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Seems like your numbers are about 100 hp > - or > >> maybe one > >> >> rotor - too low. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Al G > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> >> Behalf Of Ed Anderson > >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:34 PM > >> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ > Run / 20B > >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Doug, at 15 gph at 6000 rpm, Mark would > be making > >> approx > >> >> 165 HP, perhaps a > >> >> bit more, using a very conservative BSFC > of 0.55. > >> If you > >> >> assume a bit > >> >> better BSFC of 0.49 it would be around > 183 HP. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ed Anderson > >> >> > >> >> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > >> >> > >> >> Matthews, NC > >> >> > >> >> eanderson@carolina.rr.com > >> >> > >> >> <http://www.andersonee.com> > >> >> http://www.andersonee.com > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > >> >> > >> >> http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> > <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm> > >> >> > >> > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > >> >> > >> >> > <http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _____ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > >> >> Behalf Of DLOMHEIM@aol.com > >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:38 PM > >> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Mark's BBQ Run / > 20B > >> numbers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Mark: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Great story...thanks for posting it! 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