X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.105] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with SMTP id 3450653 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:51:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 50660 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2009 17:51:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=OZCsaE/vmy46s1elFAyU6C3k8pBWsLs4B6h++MT4rRfxEkpQ4wlRSnOXxDLWYdiGPA1/x0KZ5FUIYDIwX9t+Nw3pnEXCxB2GuNccz04zjwIaD0KEN58k8YW00xAD5ieCNOoWA/SNgehRpzsEddNPov6VCZYv9VJsWmac8PWqYZ8=; X-YMail-OSG: uyQ4ejoVM1nZHJVfmsjKx34d7kfeTjC4E1BoqtGAfozyql5edwP9BB8vca2QnJCDBmQLYvZyLo3Cx3yKyRdSzjoIi_ZP99V2Kt4vM2FDggg2e3DJrQGFEsdQfBAhRWAjjV0sjsqhJcCKVrYDQ0DNXRy7RPp44fOC8reNoFJgCJuNkLrv4FANrQ6WsneCJN2T9FjrVN9HdlM_BSRlHHCtVMaew5u5uCUeeKTB Received: from [71.49.179.220] by web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:51:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: fpbjr2001@yahoo.com Reply-To: fpbjr2001@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <290355.50527.qm@web50707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ed in this market i do not think it will sell so if i pass my medical next month i'm going to do a condition inspection on it and build my 10 hrs high performance time my DAR said i needed before i fly it. if i can settle all issues with lou i will fly it. may see you at sun-n-fun whether we have the plane or not. paul brannon N117ES --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson wrote: > From: Ed Anderson > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:43 PM > Hi Paul, > > Good to hear from you. Thanks for the real figures on your > turbo 3 rotor, > couldn't remember them offhand. > > I hope the "may fly yet" means it stays in the > family? Or do you simply > have a good home for it? > > Ed > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of fpbjr2001@yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:31 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > numbers > > ed > dyno reading of 580hp with 10 lbs boost and 386 ft/lb > torque at 5500 rpm. > not sold yet. and may fly yet. > paul brannon N117ES > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Ed Anderson > wrote: > > > From: Ed Anderson > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / > 20B numbers > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:10 PM > > Should be a fire belching dragon of an engine at over > 15psi, > > Greg. > > > > > > > > 15 Psi boost would be roughly 60" Hg of boost > which > > at an A/F ratio of 12 > > (assume you would run it a bit rich at those boost > levels) > > would give at > > 6000 rpm approx 550 HP burning 51 gph (more power at > high > > rpm and boost > > naturally) and producing a total of 25000 BTU/Min of > heat > > to be dumped > > through the radiator and oil cooler. Boy, you will > produce > > more heat energy > > that gets dumped through your oil cooler (8484 > BTU/Min) > > than my total > > (coolant and oil heat) entire engine puts out. Hope > you > > have big radiators > > and oil cooler {:>). > > > > > > > > A couple of guys in South Carolina had a turbo 3 rotor > that > > they stated > > produced over 500 HP on the dyno. It flew, but > > unfortunately only one > > flight, before one of the partners decided they were > not > > true experimenters > > and they decided to sell the project. It was really a > nice > > looking set up > > on a Lancair ES. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Ed Anderson > > > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > > > Matthews, NC > > > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > > > > > http://www.andersonee.com > > > > > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Greg Ward > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:53 AM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / > 20B > > numbers > > > > > > > > Hey Ed; > > > > We are running a 4088 Garrett hair dryer, starting at > about > > 15# of boost, > > and are extensively flow testing both the exhaust and > > induction for best > > efficiency/output. That's why the pictures, show > > everything a little bit > > different from what everyone else has done. Trying > for > > optimum runner > > length, as little back pressure as possible, early > heat > > removal, etc. > > Haven't got any real numbers down yet, until we > > (finally) get on the dyno > > but based on what a stock 360hp Cosmo gets for > mileage, and > > going from > > there, we are convinced that fuel flows should be > pretty > > good. That's why > > they call it "experimental".....(:-) > > > > Greg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ed > Anderson > > > > > > To: Rotary > > motors in aircraft > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:42 AM > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] HP was : Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > > numbers > > > > > > > > Hi Greg, well, if the fuel burn figure reported was > correct > > - then the HP > > figures I calculated are in the ball park. > > > > > > > > We know the 3 rotor is capable of producing > considerably > > more power at sea > > level (per Al's dyno run with his 3 rotor) with > the > > higher air density. > > However, at altitude the upper limit would naturally > be > > less due to the less > > dense air to support combustion, unless you are > running > > some sort of forced > > induction as in a turbo, supercharger or perhaps > nitrous > > oxide chemical > > enhancement. > > > > > > > > But if the fuel burn was 15 gph, then it does not > matter > > whether it was a 2 > > rotor, 3 rotor or 1 rotor (a 1 rotor would really have > to > > be screaming to > > burn at that rate {:>)), the approx HP equation > is: > > > > > > > > HP = (Gallon/Hour) *( 6 lb gasoline/gallon ) /BSFC = > > 15*6/0.55 = 90/0.55 = > > 163 HP. > > > > > > > > Now if you choose a different BSFC such as 0.49 then > you > > get a better > > conversion. But, I tend to be conservative in my > > estimates. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Ed Anderson > > > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > > > Matthews, NC > > > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > > > > > http://www.andersonee.com > > > > > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Greg Ward > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:20 AM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > numbers > > > > > > > > Agree to that. Our projections on the turbo 20B are > much > > higher than that. > > > > Greg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Al Gietzen > > > > To: Rotary > > motors in aircraft > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:13 PM > > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > numbers > > > > > > > > Ed; > > > > > > > > Seems like your numbers are about 100 hp - or maybe > one > > rotor - too low. > > > > > > > > Al G > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Ed Anderson > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:34 PM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mark's BBQ Run / 20B > numbers > > > > > > > > Doug, at 15 gph at 6000 rpm, Mark would be making > approx > > 165 HP, perhaps a > > bit more, using a very conservative BSFC of 0.55. If > you > > assume a bit > > better BSFC of 0.49 it would be around 183 HP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > Ed Anderson > > > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > > > Matthews, NC > > > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > > > > > http://www.andersonee.com > > > > > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > > > > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft > > [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of DLOMHEIM@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:38 PM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Mark's BBQ Run / 20B numbers > > > > > > > > Mark: > > > > > > > > Great story...thanks for posting it! At 6,000 rpm and > 15 > > gph, how many HP > > do you think you're developing? > > > > > > > > Also, have you by chance flown side by side with > another > > Lycoming powered ES > > for comparison purposes? If so what did you learn? > > > > > > > > We're going to have a couple of "burger > > burns" at our airport ((2OK2) just > > east of Tinker AFB) this Spring / Summer, so maybe > > you'll feel like going on > > a short cross country up this way and show our little > EAA > > chapter what a > > three rotor looks and sounds like?! > > > > > > > > Blue Skies > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > RV-9A, 13B > > > > Organizing the hanger for Spring FWF and canopy work! > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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