X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTPS id 3441008 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:07:49 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.183; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-171-208.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.171.208]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id n0NM76L4032648 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:07:08 +1100 Message-ID: <74A28AA572944535A4FC8053C4770F03@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Heavy Fuel? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:07:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C97DFA.BF115550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090123-0, 23/01/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C97DFA.BF115550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, A lot of interesting research into plant derived oils, one such = poisonous plant has seeds which produce copious oil, not dissimilar to = diesel. The advantages are obvious but BTU content is unknown. George (down under). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Ward=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heavy Fuel? Probably not a bad idea to consider McDonald's fry grease as an = alternative though. They're (guess who?) already trying to stop all = drilling and refining in this hemisphere. Greg Ward Lancair 20B in progress ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sohn=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heavy Fuel? You are not a downer Tracy! That is the way it is. Somebody mentioned recently, forgot where, that Mistral stopped = working on the heavy fuel engine.=20 Richard Sohn N2071U ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracy Crook=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heavy Fuel? I liked the Experimenter ezine but the article on heavy fuel was a = bit lame. Yes, you can (with some difficulty) make a spark ignited = heavy fuel engine but so what? What does it get you? The efficiency = is no better, and the power is less. The fuel is more expensive. The military is interested in this for the purpose of fuel = commonality only. =20 Tracy (sorry to be a downer) On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Dale Rogers = wrote: Hi all, I just read a somewhat interesting article in the new EAA electronic magazine, < http://eaa.org/experimenter/issues/ >. http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-01_engine.asp IIRC, the rotary has a bit of a reputation for being able to run on darned near anything that will burn (100 proof?). With direct injection - just after the intake ports are obscured - a realistic possibility, I wonder if the 13B couldn't be a star platform for a heavy fuel solution. Hmm, I've got an extra engine, and if I can ever get the "fly" engine on the airplane ... nah, just another distraction to keep me from finishing the COZY. After that? Dale R. COZY MkIV #0497 Ch. 12 complete. ~still~ on Ch. 13 :( -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: = 1/23/2009 7:28 AM ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C97DFA.BF115550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg,
A lot of interesting research into = plant derived=20 oils, one such poisonous plant has seeds which produce copious oil, = not=20 dissimilar to diesel. The advantages are obvious but BTU content is = unknown.
George (down under).
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Ward
Sent: Saturday, January 24, = 2009 7:27=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Heavy=20 Fuel?

Probably not a bad idea to consider = McDonald's fry=20 grease as an alternative though.  They're (guess who?) already = trying to=20 stop all drilling and refining in this = hemisphere.
Greg Ward
Lancair 20B in = progress
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sohn
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, January 23, = 2009 12:44=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Heavy=20 Fuel?

You are not a downer Tracy! That is = the way it=20 is.
 
Somebody mentioned recently, forgot = where, that=20 Mistral stopped working on the heavy fuel engine.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tracy Crook
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, January 23, = 2009 2:07=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Heavy=20 Fuel?

I liked the Experimenter ezine but the article on = heavy=20 fuel was a bit lame.  Yes, you can (with some difficulty) = make a=20 spark ignited heavy fuel engine but so what?  What does it = get=20 you?   The efficiency is no better, and the power is = less. =20 The fuel is more expensive.

The military is interested in = this for=20 the purpose of fuel commonality only.   =

Tracy =20 (sorry to be a downer)


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Dale = Rogers <dale.r@cox.net>=20 wrote:
Hi=20 all,

 I just read a somewhat interesting article in = the new=20 EAA
electronic magazine, < http://eaa.org/experimenter/issues/ = >.

http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-01_engine.a= sp

 IIRC,=20 the rotary has a bit of a reputation for being able to
run on = darned=20 near anything that will burn (100 proof?).

 With = direct=20 injection - just after the intake ports are
obscured - a = realistic=20 possibility, I wonder if the 13B
couldn't be a star platform = for a=20 heavy fuel solution.

 Hmm, I've got an extra engine, = and if=20 I can ever get the
"fly" engine on the airplane ... nah, just = another=20 distraction
to keep me from finishing the COZY.  After=20 that?

Dale R.
COZY MkIV #0497
Ch. 12 complete.=20  ~still~ on Ch. 13  :(



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