X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3328884 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:47:02 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.200.173; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3891249wfa.25 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eFTg6W+2jIj6ZPHYH9GHAYwVzbVqrVjNk3EpyUsGN54=; b=beKSJ7jE/WazzdTVZNs2Jomsnhsn3gfRrF1+a0rWTqbtdJElfUtpHxSBFt/KTtsP8R RGhA9zj4cb4ox6U8pV3nLOKjOPOoF9ImUilP33A/atbnHPzpK81tZKgwrz1QISTM3ss+ lztrJ5ktW86mK1hL6022k80eb8nnyinHEF7e0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BW7czbiWBmuq2GWZk532d/HJER/HhlGGAqOERRS8+QGQLveD8rzcVe42wMQ9rGjG0g AvqI0wPltpO1H6B91L14xamu5pas4vO2mMhUnU+lAKY+xlIG5gmOLVY+zUyY1FUSl9lV 9S/gk/CQrRoY6uNjD6QFOP1+XViwzNYFxDnHs= Received: by 10.115.32.18 with SMTP id k18mr7760325waj.98.1228326386542; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.131.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1b4b137c0812030946l6f2d81dcq48ead24a87c24eb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:46:26 -0500 From: "Tracy Crook" Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel system In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_69874_27009123.1228326386496" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: c13d5aba15721bdf ------=_Part_69874_27009123.1228326386496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the comments Randy. That what *does* make it worthwhile going to Oshkosh for me. Tracy > > Tracy, as a side note, if you ever wonder if the time and $$ is worth the > annual trip to Oshkosh every year just to stand outside in the heat and rain > - - it is. Because guys like me get to talk to guys like you. Thank you. You > will also be surprised to know that MONEY is always an issue as you will > realize when I have to set up a monthly pmt. schedule with you for the > redrive / fuel pumps / EC2/EM2 :)) > Thanks again, > Randy > --------------------------------- > > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:29 AM, hoursaway1@comcast.net wrote: > > I know of a Co. in FL. that makes an all chemical tolerant duplex valve >> (brass w/nylon cups) for aprox. $180 shipped to your home, he has been using >> the DV for aprox. 7 years now, mine has been wet with auto fuel/alc./2 cyc. >> mix, in an RV6A Rotary for aprox. 2 years now being changed from >> tank-to-tank monthly. I will find his info. & post tomorrow? David R. Cook >> RV6A Rotary freeeeezing in MI. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Charlie England >> >> > There's that, and the fact that in today's unbelievably tight credit >> > market, you might not be able to get a loan for one. ;-) >> > >> > Charlie >> > >> > Bill Schertz wrote: >> > > Consider using an ANDAIR duplex valve. It takes fuel from one tank and >> > > returns it to the same tank. Turn it and it takes and returns to the >> > > other tank. Simple in operation, but requires more plumbing. >> > > Bill Schertz >> > > KIS Cruiser #4045 >> > > N343BS >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy echtinaw" >> > > >> > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:50 PM >> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] R e: Fuel system >> > > >> > > >> > >> Al, >> > >> That was my first thought to just drain the smaller tank into the >> > >> larger with a simple 1/4 turn on/off but I would have to run the >> > >> main at least 1/2 empty for this to work. I cannot fly ackro with >> > >> less than 6 gallons in the main tank. I cannot fly ackro at all with >> > >> fuel in the smaller tank so by the time the smaller tank emptied I >> > >> would have little fuel remaining in the larger tank. I even >> > >> considered a small transfer pump to fill the larger tank but I am >> > >> again creating complexity. >> > >> All input here is welcome :)) >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> --------------------------------- >> > >> >> > >> On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Al Gietzen wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Randy; >> > >>> >> > >>> Is the positioning of the tanks such that you could gravity feed the >> > >>> small >> > >>> tank into the big tank? Then you could return to the larger tank - >> and >> > >>> eliminate the selector valve. >> > >>> >> > >>> Al G >> > >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft >> > >>> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On >> > >>> Behalf Of randy echtinaw >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM >> > >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> > >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuel system >> > >>> >> > >>> Gentlemen, >> > >>> Because a large majority of homebuilt problems are fuel related I >> > >>> am trying to make my system as simple as possible. This is a biplane >> > >>> with a 20 gal. and a 10 gal. tank in front of t he inst. panel, RX-8 >> > >>> engine. >> > >>> The only "known" problem I have at the moment is my fuel return. I >> > >>> would like it to return to the main tank only. This would mean >> burning >> > >>> off 2-3 gallons from the main tank before switching to the 2nd tank. >> > >>> But, this might mean I am setting myself up for a future "pilot >> error" >> > >>> in fuel management. If I return to both tanks I would need another >> > >>> selector and cockpit control which is making the system more >> > >>> complicated and, again, potential "pilot error." So, suggestions . . >> . >> > >>> Thank you very much, >> > >>> Randy >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------=_Part_69874_27009123.1228326386496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the comments Randy.  That what does make it worthwhile going to Oshkosh for me. 

Tracy



Tracy, as a side note, if you ever wonder if the time and $$ is worth the annual trip to Oshkosh every year just to stand outside in the heat and rain - - it is. Because guys like me get to talk to guys like you. Thank you. You will also be surprised to know that MONEY is always an issue as you will realize when I have to set up a monthly pmt. schedule with you for the redrive / fuel pumps /  EC2/EM2 :))
Thanks again,
Randy
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On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:29 AM, hoursaway1@comcast.net wrote:

I know of a Co. in FL. that makes an all chemical tolerant duplex valve (brass w/nylon cups) for aprox. $180 shipped to your home, he has been using the DV for aprox. 7 years now, mine has been wet with auto fuel/alc./2 cyc. mix, in an RV6A Rotary for aprox. 2 years now being changed from tank-to-tank monthly. I will find his info. & post tomorrow?   David R. Cook  RV6A Rotary   freeeeezing in MI.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>

> There's that, and the fact that in today's unbelievably tight credit
> market, you might not be able to get a loan for one. ;-)
>
> Charlie
>
> Bill Schertz wrote:
> > Consider using an ANDAIR duplex valve. It takes fuel from one tank and
> > returns it to the same tank. Turn it and it takes and returns to the
> > other tank. Simple in operation, but requires more plumbing.
> > Bill Schertz
> > KIS Cruiser #4045
> > N343BS
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy echtinaw"
> >
> > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft"
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:50 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] R e: Fuel system
> >
> >
> >> Al,
> >> That was my first thought to just drain the smaller tank into the
> >> larger with a simple 1/4 turn on/off but I would have to run the
> >> main at least 1/2 empty for this to work. I cannot fly ackro with
> >> less than 6 gallons in the main tank. I cannot fly ackro at all with
> >> fuel in the smaller tank so by the time the smaller tank emptied I
> >> would have little fuel remaining in the larger tank. I even
> >> considered a small transfer pump to fill the larger tank but I am
> >> again creating complexity.
> >> All input here is welcome :))
> >> Thanks,
> >> ---------------------------------
> >>
> >> On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Al Gietzen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Randy;
> >>>
> >>> Is the positioning of the tanks such that you could gravity feed the
> >>> small
> >>> tank into the big tank? Then you could return to the larger tank - and
> >>> eliminate the selector valve.
> >>>
> >>> Al G
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> >>> [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> >>> Behalf Of randy echtinaw
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:59 PM
> >>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuel system
> >>>
> >>> Gentlemen,
> >>> Because a large majority of homebuilt problems are fuel related I
> >>> am trying to make my system as simple as possible. This is a biplane
> >>> with a 20 gal. and a 10 gal. tank in front of t he inst. panel, RX-8
> >>> engine.
> >>> The only "known" problem I have at the moment is my fuel return. I
> >>> would like it to return to the main tank only. This would mean burning
> >>> off 2-3 gallons from the main tank before switching to the 2nd tank.
> >>> But, this might mean I am setting myself up for a future "pilot error"
> >>> in fuel management. If I return to both tanks I would need another
> >>> selector and cockpit control which is making the system more
> >>> complicated and, again, potential "pilot error." So, suggestions . . .
> >>> Thank you very much,
> >>> Randy
>
>
>
> --
> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html


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