Hi Ed, I understand what you’re saying, but as stated
before … “I would never have guessed how that
expansion tank is working with this setup”.
I expected that if the cap pressure was exceeded, the system
would purge some coolant; however, so far it is only purging air; the overflow
bottle is bone dry. The expansion tank is about 1 quart and it mostly
empty; i.e., room for expansion. I was only ground running the
engine and never exceeded 4000 rpm. Do you expect it to behave differently at
higher power settings or different at altitude?
Jeff
From: Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Careful of Too Low a Radiator Cap capacity: [FlyRotary]
Re: Hose and Expansion Tank ... was Hose
On thing to consider about the 16 psi pressure cap - back a few
years ago a fellow or two were having problems losing coolant during a
flight. No clear evidence of why, but a cup – pint or more of
coolant loss occurred just about ever flight of any duration.
To understand what was happening its easiest to look at
your cooling system pressure and the radiator caps capacity in terms of Absolute pressure
rather than the gauge or differential pressure we normally use and think in.
Atmospheric pressure is by definition Absolute pressure. So
at sea level without the engine running the absolute pressure inside and
outside the coolant system is 14.7 psi. So your coolant pressure gauge
which is a differential pressure gauge is reading zero because coolant system
14.7 psi absolute – atmosphere 14.7 psi absolute = zero difference.
Now if you put a 16 psi radiator cap on your coolant system then
whenever the differential pressure (absolute coolant pressure – absolute
atmospheric) is less than 16 psi the cap will hold the coolant in – if
the differential pressure is greater than 16 psi then it will vent. So
the absolute pressure capacity of your cap is 14.7 atmospheric + 16 psi coolant
= 30.7 psi. – AT SEA LEVEL
So you run your engine at sea level and the pressure gets to 12.7
psi according to your pressure gauge (also a differential pressure gauge) then
the total absolute pressure is - 12.7 coolant + 14.7 atmospheric(already
in the coolant system) = 27.4 psi absolute. You’re OK
because your pressure capacity is 30.7 psi absolute and your actual
coolant pressure is 27.4 psi absolute – so you have a margin of approx 3
psi at sea level..
Now fly to 8000 ft MSL or so where ambient pressure is around 11psi
absolute. Now you have the 16 psi cap + 11 atmospheric for a
total of capacity of 11 + 16 = 27 psi absolute before
the cap vents. Note that this is 3.7 psi less than what its holding
capacity was at sea level.
IF (and it may not – probably will NOT for a lot of reasons)
your coolant system is still producing the same absolute pressure (27.4
psi) as it did at sea level (yes, the pressure gauge will show more than
12.7 because it’s a differential gauge and the outside pressure is less) but
the absolute pressure of your coolant system would still be 27.4 psi).
So the absolute pressure IN your system is still 27.4
psi absolute in this example, but your radiator cap (with the lesser
ambient pressure) is only capable of holding 27 psi absolute at this
altitude – in which case the cap will now release and coolant will flow
through the radiator relief valve because your Caps limit (spring +
atmospheric 16 + 11 = 27 psi) is now less than the absolute coolant
pressure at altitude < 27.4 psi by 0.4 psi.
Now in your case you should be fine as it is unlikely you
will still have the same heat and coolant pressure at altitude – but, I
use a 21 psi cap because it provides a bit more margin. However, you
don’t want to go too much to the extreme, as a higher pressure cap may
result in leaks around fittings and gaskets/seals of the cooling system (water
pump for instance). So I think 21 psi is a reasonable compromise –
but, that is simply my viewpoint.
.
In any case, the individual with the problem I mentioned earlier
tried using a 21 psi cap and that immediately cured his problem. So
I feel that 14.7 psi is simply to0 low for our applications, but your
mileage may vary.
.
Ed