If there is any doubt about the hose I’ll remove it …
I would never have guessed how that expansion tank is working with this setup.
Originally I wanted the tank to be the highest point in the
system and be connected to the inlet side of the pump where pressures are lower
and it would make an ideal filling point for entire system; however, there isn’t
enough height under the cowl to mount it above the water pump outlet.
During first flight the pressure got pegged to >20 psi >
cap pressure … I removed that cap and put back the old one at 16 psi …
now if the system is pressurized through the snifter valve it is regulated at
16 psi by the cap, as I would expect. So I relieved the pressure to 10 psi and
ground-operated the engine; it pressurized and regulated itself back to 16 psi from
130F water temp all the way up to 200F water temp … but what is startling
is that the tank is actually cool to the touch … the water pump is hot, radiator
and its hoses are hot … hot pressurized air is exiting the engine through
that hose and 1 cup of coolant but having very little temperature effect on either
… I love it … I believe the system is working perfectly and don’t
see any reason to operate at pressure above 16 psi.
Jeff
(Just waiting for the weekend and flight #2)
From: Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:41 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Hose was Re: First Flight, short and hot
Jeff, you might check with Tracy Crook. Way back when, he
attempted to use some clear plastic/nylon cored reinforced hose for his coolant
system for the same reason (I think) – so you could see what was going
on. As best I recall, it was not up to the task due to heat and pressure
– but these were the main line hoses and not just to the header
tank.
I can not recall the type – but think he got them at the
local hardware store.
Ed
From: Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:03 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First Flight, short and hot
Thanks Kelly, I copied (Bill Eslick’s) installation (seen
at Round-up) and the see-through aspect of that hose was a major selling point;
it’s easy to see whether there’s air or fluid in the line, which is
very helpful … ideally there should be fluid in the line and about 1 cup
in the expansion tank; I suppose removing the cap would provide same
information … but the tank has to be de-pressurized, cap removed and
re-pressurized before flight.
Bill any comments on durability of that hose?
Jeff
From: Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:24 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] First Flight, short and hot
You might keep an eye on the plastic hose
goinng to the bottom of your
expansion tank..........This particular hose is not durable
and under the high
heat under the cowl (perhaps not during your Canadian
winter) might have
a short service life..........Project looks great and am
looking forward to all
further flight test info..........
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
-------------- Original message
from Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com>: --------------
Thanks to you all for the congratulatory comments …
attached is a picture of expansion tank and preflight roll-out … the
orange line is fuel return; the brass is pressure gauge pickup and snifter
valve installation.
After reading Eds’ email I now know why the water
temperature was so high. I installed a thermostat with the onset of cold
weather, but I couldn’t use the original Mazda thermostat because my
temperature bulb protrudes across the bypass hole. Originally the bypass
hole was plugged and there was no thermostat; however, I removed the bypass
plug and used a non-Mazda thermostat !! … so that’s why the
underside of the Mazda thermostat is so long! Thanks Ed for setting me straight
and based on your comment about 20% loss of efficiency, I could possibly see
230F x 0.8 or as low as 184F on next flight … that would be great! For
now the thermostat is gone and bypass is re-plugged.
Closer examination of the belt and rubber deposits on underside
of top cowling suggests the belt got jammed in the pulley and cut by friction.
I tried again last night to remove the alternator pulley nut
… what’s the secret? Left-hand thread? Loctite or what? It’s
so tight I’m afraid of damaging something trying to get it off.
Jeff