X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp0.av-mx.com ([137.118.16.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3312818 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:09:58 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=137.118.16.56; envelope-from=res12@fairpoint.net Received: from main (dflo-66-243-230-18.gtcom.net [66.243.230.18]) (Authenticated sender: res12@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636841BFD73 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:09:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Richard Sohn" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:09:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C94CCD.83164050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C94CCD.83164050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, just a comment for support. I spent most of my flying life in gliders, motor gliders, hang gliders = and some gyros. Got my PPL when I was past 60 in a 152. A friend gave me = about 20 TOL in an RV6 (O360 CS) for tail dragger prep for the first = flight with my AVID.=20 Two things I remember catching my attention were, P-Factor on take off = and on landing fly the AC until you are at taxi speed. The positive was = that there was a lot of similarity in stick sensitivity with gliders. = The only dog I remember in my flying experience was the 152, everything = else was very similar to each other. =20 If and when you go for the FIRST, you will be surprised how much you = know about flying. Good luck! Richard Sohn N2071U ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Wills=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Dave, You may be right - I may be stalling. Also the new glider I just = bought is taking up a considerable amount of my spare time. I may be a = little over committed. :-) My first hour of dual in the Citabria was a little sketchy but by = hour 2 I was feeling pretty good. Other than the recent Citabria time I = havent flown a TD in about 5 years. I've got about 150 hours in the -6A so I know what it's going to do = in the air. It's when the wheels are on the ground.... I'm pretty sure i could just jump right in and go. But then I think = about the 13 years of my life invested in it. I'm going to feel pretty = stupid if I do something dumb that could have been rectified with a = little dual. Anyway, I'm going to hook back up with my buddy for another = hour or two in the Citabria here pretty soon. I'll let you know if I = want to take you up on your offer Dave. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Mike, You know how I feel about it, same as Tracy and Ed. My first take = off and landing in an RV-6 was my test flight - and I had not flown a TD = in over 2 years. Basic flying skills are not particularly fleeting. = You have plenty of TW&RV experience, I think you are just stalling. :-) So just go fly it before the marine layer comes back!! Will be glad = to help any way I can including my previous offer of some time in my = right seat. But if you don't do it soon I am going to sneak over there one of = these days and "steal" your first flight just to get it out of the way = ;-) --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Tracy Crook = wrote: Ed's words on his first flight were virtually a carbon copy of my = own. And this was after flying nothing but ultralights for the 10 years = prior to flying the RV. I thought about getting an experienced RV pilot to do the first = flight but could not bring myself to ask anyone else to take the = responsibility for such a truly experimental machine. Besides, no one = knows your unique systems and how to handle them better than you.=20 All the best on your first flight whenever you decide you're = ready. You are the PIC. Tracy Crook On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote: Hi Mike, If you can get a ride in an RV that would be great. However, I = ran into the same problem =96 no Rv's available in my area back in 1998. = So my first flight in an RV was my test flight =96 I don't necessarily = recommend that, however, I found the Rv so easy to fly that in my focus = on my very high oil temperature and decision to abort after one circuit = of the patter (actually =BD circuit), I made a grease landing. On = reflection, I was amazed at how easy the Rv was to fly, I had not had to = give any conscious thought to flying while in the air. =20 In fact, I find a Cessna 150 on a hot day much tougher to land. = The only thing I would caution if attempting this =96 it is better to = keep the airspeed up a bit on the first couple of landings as the short = wings are not very forgiving if you get a high sink rate going. I would = recommend keeping it up to 80 MPH IAS on final =96 particularly if you = have a long run way. That keeps the sink rate low and manageable. Naturally with a tail dragger =96 keep those feet dancing on the = peddles to keep the nose from wandering. But, if you can land the = Citabria without any problem, I would be very surprised if the RV would = give you any. Good luck on that first flight =96 although ""good preparation" = would be a better saying. But, don't let me or anyone else tempt you to = do that first flight until you are good and ready. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:35 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Doug, The airplane is ready - the pilot not so much. I was gearing up = with a CFI and did about 5 hours in a Citabria back in September. Was = feeling pretty good about things and wanted to get in just another hour = or two to brush up on wheel landings. Then spent the entire month of = October and early November on the road. Also had some unexpected = expenses during this time frame. So once the finances settle out and I can go get a few more = hours of dual. I may still make one last attempt to get a few hours of = RV dual too, but when I've looked into it in the past the guys who do = that always seem to be scheduled 6 months in advance. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DLOMHEIM@aol.com=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Mike Wills...when's your first flight? Mike: How soon until you slip the surley (spelling?) bonds of the = earth with your RV-4? It looked like you were about ready to fly when I = saw it earlier in the year... Fly safe! Doug=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social = networks, and the things you love. 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Hi Mike,
 
just a comment for = support.
 
I spent most of my flying life in = gliders, motor=20 gliders, hang gliders and some gyros. Got my PPL when I was past 60 = in a=20 152. A friend gave me about 20 TOL in an RV6 (O360 CS) for tail dragger = prep for=20 the first flight with my AVID.
Two things I remember catching my = attention were,=20 P-Factor on take off and on landing fly the AC until you are at taxi = speed. The=20 positive was that there was a lot of similarity in stick sensitivity = with=20 gliders. The only dog I remember in my flying experience was the 152, = everything=20 else was very similar to each other. 
If and when you go for the FIRST, you = will be=20 surprised how much you know about flying.
 
Good luck!
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Wills
Sent: Saturday, November 22, = 2008 4:32=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike=20 Wills...when's your first flight?

Dave,
 
 You may be right - I may be = stalling. Also=20 the new glider I just bought is taking up a considerable amount of my = spare=20 time. I may be a little over committed. :-)
 
 My first hour of dual in the = Citabria was a=20 little sketchy but by hour 2 I was feeling pretty good. Other than the = recent=20 Citabria time I havent flown a TD in about 5 years.
 
 I've got about 150 hours in the = -6A so I=20 know what it's going to do in the air. It's when the wheels are on the = ground....
 
 I'm pretty sure i could just = jump right in=20 and go. But then I think about the 13 years of my life invested in it. = I'm=20 going to feel pretty stupid if I do something dumb that could have = been=20 rectified with a little dual. Anyway, I'm going to hook back up with = my buddy=20 for another hour or two in the Citabria here pretty soon. I'll let you = know if=20 I want to take you up on your offer Dave.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Saturday, November 22, = 2008 9:49=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mike = Wills...when's your first flight?

Mike,

You  know how I feel about it, same = as=20 Tracy and Ed.  My first take off and landing in an RV-6 was my = test=20 flight - and I had not flown a TD in over 2 years.  Basic = flying skills=20 are not particularly fleeting.   You have plenty of TW&RV=20 experience, I think you are just stalling. :-)

So just go fly = it=20 before the marine layer comes back!!  Will be glad to help any = way I=20 can including my previous offer of some time in my right = seat.

But if=20 you don't do it soon I am going to sneak over there one of these = days and=20 "steal" your first flight just to get it out of the way = ;-)

--=20
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Tracy = Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>= =20 wrote:
Ed's=20 words on his first flight were virtually a carbon copy of my = own. =20 And this was after flying nothing but ultralights for the 10 years = prior=20 to flying the RV.

I thought about getting an experienced RV = pilot=20 to do the first flight but could not bring myself to ask anyone = else to=20 take the responsibility for such a truly experimental = machine. =20 Besides,  no one knows your unique systems and how to handle = them=20 better than you.

All the best on your first flight = whenever you=20 decide you're ready.  You are the PIC.

Tracy = Crook

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>=20 wrote:

Hi=20 Mike,

 

If = you can get=20 a ride in an RV that would be great.  However, I ran into = the same=20 problem =96 no Rv's available in my area back in 1998.  So = my first=20 flight in an RV was my test flight =96 I don't necessarily = recommend that,=20 however, I found the Rv so easy to fly that in my focus on my = very high=20 oil temperature and decision to abort after one circuit of the = patter=20 (actually =BD circuit), I made a grease landing.  On =20 reflection, I was amazed at how easy the Rv was to fly, I had = not had to=20 give any conscious thought to flying while in the air. =20

 

In = fact, I find=20 a Cessna 150 on a hot day much tougher to land.  The only = thing I=20 would caution if attempting this =96 it is better to keep the = airspeed up=20 a bit on the first couple of landings as the short wings are not = very=20 forgiving if you get a high sink rate going.  I would = recommend=20 keeping it up to 80 MPH IAS on final =96 particularly if you = have a long=20 run way.  That keeps the sink rate low and=20 manageable.

 

Naturally with=20 a tail dragger =96 keep those feet dancing on the peddles to = keep the nose=20 from wandering.  But, if you can land the Citabria without = any=20 problem, I would be very surprised if the RV would give you=20 any.

 

Good = luck on=20 that first flight =96 although ""good preparation" would be a = better=20 saying.  But, don't let me or anyone else tempt you to do = that=20 first flight until you are good and ready.

 

Ed

 

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A = N494BW=20 Rotary Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike = Wills
Sent: Friday, November = 21, 2008=20 7:35 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mike=20 Wills...when's your first flight?

 

Doug,

 

 The=20 airplane is ready - the pilot not so much. I was gearing up with = a CFI=20 and did about 5 hours in a Citabria back in September. Was = feeling=20 pretty good about things and wanted to get in just another hour = or two=20 to brush up on wheel landings. Then spent the entire month of = October=20 and early November on the road. Also had some unexpected = expenses during=20 this time frame.

 

 So once=20 the finances settle out and I can go get a few more hours of = dual. I may=20 still make one last attempt to get a few hours of RV dual too, = but when=20 I've looked into it in the past the guys who do that always seem = to be=20 scheduled 6 months in advance.

 

Mike = Wills

RV-4 = N144MW 

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: = DLOMHEIM@aol.com

To: = Rotary motors=20 in aircraft

Sent: = Friday,=20 November 21, 2008 2:52 AM

Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Mike Wills...when's your first flight?

 

Mike:

 

How soon=20 until you slip the surley (spelling?) bonds of the earth with = your=20 RV-4?  It looked like you were about ready to fly when I = saw it=20 earlier in the year...

 

Fly=20 safe!

 

Doug=20



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