X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.185] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPS id 3288290 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:33:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.185; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-108-111.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.108.111]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id mAD1WLre012041 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:32:23 +1100 Message-ID: <55EAD753969C41B9A5F39310D689E0BE@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: IVO Props, etc. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:32:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081112-0, 12/11/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >I prowled around the test page a bit, & the numbers are really not good > at all (pitiful, really) if you compare numbers to Lyc powered RVs. The > 'best' numbers from the latest chart he supplied (copied below) show 151 > kts (173mph) tas at 9.3 gph (56 lbs per hr). That speed is roughly what > Van claims for a 160hp -6A at 55% power (7.3 gph) at 8000 ft. That's a > 26% penalty even if you ignore the 3,000 ft altitude (lower drag) > efficiency advantage. At 11,000 ft & that fuel burn, he would be going > around 200 mph with a Lyc. > > Since there are 2 big variables (plus airframe/cooling drag) in this > equation, you can't tell how much blame to assign to the engine or the > prop. > > Don't be seduced by the *potential* advantage of a controllable prop. It's > already obvious that the cruise/top speed numbers are much worse. I'm a > bit too lazy to dig this deep, but you should also compare his climb > rate/fuel flow numbers to Van's fixed pitch numbers. Do you really need a > climb rate in excess of what the a/c can supply with a fixed pitch prop? > If not, the only remaining reason is a drag brake for landing. That's the > one area where fixed pitch RV's suffer. High sink rate low speed descents > into emergency landing zones are a lot more difficult to achieve, but > the -9's already lower landing speed than a -6 should help you there. > > Charlie Charlie, I looked at the RV6 and the landing speed is lower because of the different airfoil, much longer wing, and much bigger flaps. Interesting airfoil though. George ( down under)