X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.99] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3287264 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:42 -0500 Received: from DLOMHEIM@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cbb.2ad22d90 (29678) for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: DLOMHEIM@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:45:35 EST Subject: IVO Props, etc. To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1226504735" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 5001 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1226504735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross Farnham, who posts in the Van's Airforce "alternative engine" forum (and who if he wasn't a Subie guy would most likely be a regular on this list); has done quite a bit of testing with the IVO Magnum "high pitch" version on his RV-6A, turbo Subie. The best "top speed" (for what that's worth in this day and age) I could find in his data was at a DA of 17,000 ft. and " 34 inches 5000 rpm, mixture -10%, 181 knots TAS". That really isn't too bad for the price you pay for an IVO in my opinion. See this link for his IVO testing information: _http://www.sdsefi.com/rv13.htm_ (http://www.sdsefi.com/rv13.htm) His web pages also fully document the many cooling modifications he went through with his installation until it finally was "right", much like those who have gone before on this list have had to do. This also is well documented and makes for interesting reading if you haven't checked out his site before. _http://www.sdsefi.com/rv12.htm_ (http://www.sdsefi.com/rv12.htm) I plan on using an IVO on my RV-9A installation since it appears from Ross's data that it should provide more than adequate climb performance and will also cruise well in the 150-160 mph range (where I plan on spending most of my time). An MT would be nice, but the cost is prohibitive on my budget. Here is a summary of Ross's IVO conclusions from his web page: 07/21/04 At the 90 hour engine/prop time mark we have some more observations on the IVO Magnum: 1. We have had no issues with bolts or blades coming loose. 2. The in-flight adjustment works well. We use a 0-20 amp ammeter to judge blade position. 3. After the first set of brushes laid down carbon on the slip rings, brush life now exceeds 30 hours between changes 4. Despite having too low a reduction ratio for our airframe, the Magnum offers good takeoff and climb performance. Medium speed cruise performance is comparable to other certified aircraft propellers. High speed performance also seems comparable although we'd like to have a lower reduction ratio to turn the prop faster and absorb more hp. 5. Given the speed vs. fuel flow considerations on our turbocharged RV6A, this prop is matched well and is a viable alternative to expensive constant speed, certified propellers. A fixed pitch prop on the turbocharged engine would degrade performance considerably, especially in the takeoff, climb and high altitude cruise regimes. 6. A slight vibration is set up if the propeller is coarsed out too much for the flight speed, likely due to the blade being partially stalled. 7. Ambient temperature and altitude (density altitude) affect pitch angles required for a given hp and rpm. For takeoff using 38 inches MAP, 4800 engine rpm/ 2182 prop rpm we set pitch at 3 amps fine of neutral pitch. This is at a hp of around 170, prop torque is 409 ft./lbs. Density altitude 3500-4500 MSL. For climb at 35 inches MAP, 4500-4800 engine rpm/ 2045-2182 prop rpm we set pitch at 2 amps fine to neutral. This is at an IAS of 80-95 knots. Hp is 150-155, torque at prop is about 374 ft./lbs. Density altitude around 6000 MSL. For cruise at 30 inches MAP, 4200 engine rpm/ 1909 prop rpm we set pitch at 13 amps coarse. This is at an IAS of 130 knots. HP is around 114, torque at prop about 314 ft./lbs. Density altitude 11,000 MSL. We don't run the pitch past 15 amps coarse and figure that this results in a pitch of 95 to 100 inches. (note: italics are mine...) Doug Lomheim RV-9A; 13B/ FWF **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) -------------------------------1226504735 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ross Farnham, who posts in the Van's Airforce "alternative engine"= =20 forum (and who if he wasn't a Subie guy would most likely be a regular=20= on=20 this list); has done quite a bit of testing with the IVO Magnum "high=20 pitch" version on his RV-6A, turbo Subie.  The best "top speed" (f= or=20 what that's worth in this day and age) I could find in his data was at a DA=20= of=20 17,000 ft. and " 34 inches 5000 rpm, mixture -10%, 181 knots=20 TAS".  That really isn't too bad for the price you pay for an IVO=20= in=20 my opinion.  See this link for his IVO testing=20 information:  http://www.sdsefi.com/rv13.htm
 
His web pages also fully document the many cooling modifications h= e=20 went through with his installation until it finally was "righ= t",=20 much like those who have gone before on this list have had to=20 do.  This also is well documented and makes for interesting readin= g if=20 you haven't checked out his site before.   http://www.sdsefi.com/rv12.htm
 
I plan on using an IVO on my RV-9A installation since it appears from=20 Ross's data that it should provide more than adequate climb performance and=20= will=20 also cruise well in the 150-160 mph range (where I plan on spending most of=20= my=20 time).  An MT would be nice, but the cost is prohibitive on m= y=20 budget.  Here is a summary of Ross's IVO conclusions from his web=20 page:
 
07/21/04

At the 90 hour engine/prop time mark we have some more observations on th= e=20 IVO Magnum:

1. We have had no issues with bolts or blades coming loose.

2. The in-flight adjustment works well. We use a 0-20 amp ammeter to judg= e=20 blade position.

3. After the first set of brushes laid down carbon on the slip rings, bru= sh=20 life now exceeds 30 hours between changes

4. Despite having too low a reduction ratio for our airframe, th= e=20 Magnum offers good takeoff and climb performance. Medium speed=20 cruise performance is comparable to other certified aircraft=20 propellers. High speed performance also seems comparable altho= ugh=20 we'd like to have a lower reduction ratio to turn the prop faster and absorb= =20 more hp.

5. Given the speed vs. fuel flow considerations on our turbocharged RV6A,= =20 this prop is matched well and is a viable alternative to expensive constant=20 speed, certified propellers. A fixed pitch prop on the turbocharged engine w= ould=20 degrade performance considerably, especially in the takeoff, climb and high=20 altitude cruise regimes.

6. A slight vibration is set up if the propeller is coarsed out too much=20= for=20 the flight speed, likely due to the blade being partially stalled.

7. Ambient temperature and altitude (density altitude) affect pitch angle= s=20 required for a given hp and rpm.

For takeoff using 38 inches MAP, 4800 engine rpm/ 2182 prop rpm we set pi= tch=20 at 3 amps fine of neutral pitch. This is at a hp of around 170, prop torque=20= is=20 409 ft./lbs. Density altitude 3500-4500 MSL.

For climb at 35 inches MAP, 4500-4800 engine rpm/ 2045-2182 prop rpm we s= et=20 pitch at 2 amps fine to neutral. This is at an IAS of 80-95 knots. Hp is=20 150-155, torque at prop is about 374 ft./lbs. Density altitude around 6000=20 MSL.

For cruise at 30 inches MAP, 4200 engine rpm/ 1909 prop rpm we set pitch=20= at=20 13 amps coarse. This is at an IAS of 130 knots. HP is around 114, torque at=20= prop=20 about 314 ft./lbs. Density altitude 11,000 MSL.

We don't run the pitch past 15 amps coarse and figure that this results i= n a=20 pitch of 95 to 100 inches.

(note:  italics are mine...)

 

Doug Lomheim

RV-9A; 13B/ FWF

 




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