X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.229] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3280923 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:32:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.198.229; envelope-from=blake.lewis@gmail.com Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so1355434rvb.7 for ; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:31:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OV0/vJ9D2HbiCtNINKMs1dM2yUWcQhZpdLX5Ma/8NiE=; b=RHR35sj5bHmIbJWP9SA0UOwncm6wSLW1ZuiJbviZaOKh4HgB0D9B+QUJME5Lo/PtNA yzJtIe+3gyPhpL+cHLE8tLxdUHa6+eLiZ1zlNr/vqGnb1/xjov1yMJZTqAaUem2D4Xp5 WGrVpI1D7+EngdAnn1pVGMw4t8OW+CvrcnUGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=f6eTFq5LGd/UkrpG6+ePUkOE835GrHpoM8Cx1k6cyjPZ9FfEZqEVeBWWqZz2mf1LSX IRMtPkIa2vVXbOdgQsSaRkatUy6ZecpfVxniIlZSAY6e6cPaD4YOzfFXUj+z+JNNRt1h UGa4fDcUghjBZD1/N+p+2dm8IqdNjhjbNnpSQ= Received: by 10.140.144.6 with SMTP id r6mr1973602rvd.185.1226086300847; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.137.9 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:31:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:31:40 -0600 From: "Blake Lewis" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel considerations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: I like two high pressure pumps in the left tank and two low pressure pumps to transfer fuel from right to left. You just have to make sure that the low pressure pumps can pump more than you burn. I think it is the simplest plumbing. One return line, one delivery line, two lines from right to left. Tracy has something similar. You could have a device that would sense unequal tank levels and pump fuel from right to left. The problem with the fuel valves is the plumbing is more complicated and you need four expensive pumps to get redundancy. Blake On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:54 AM, wrote: > Brooks, > > Returning to a single tank is not a great idea. One day, flyin= g > along, fat, dumb and happy, you'll forget you're draining from one tank a= nd > filling the other till it over-flows and you send your liquid gold > overboard, out the vent (Ask me how I know=85) Best case, you'll have g= as > stains all along the fuselage. Medium case, you'll smell gas in the cock= pit > and suck up a seat cushion wondering what broke. Worst case, you won't h= ave > fuel to make you destination. > > Andair make the perfect solution with their FS20-20 Duplex Fuel > Selector. Send the fuel back to the tank that it came from. (You need t= o > keep it simple for the stupid pilot.) No check valves to hang up. Then > like all other RVs flying, you run an hour on one tank, switch, run an ho= ur > on the other and back and forth. > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of Brooks Wolfe > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:42 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Fuel considerations > > > > The airplane I fly in my day job gave me an idea for my RV-7 rotary > project. This airplane requires the center tank to be burned first, then > the wing tanks may be used. To accomplish this, there are no sophisticat= ed > electronics nor any active logic at work; there are simply check valves i= n > the system that allow the higher-pressure center pumps to push fuel ahead= of > the wing tank's pumps. When the center tanks run dry, the check valves > close from reduced fuel pressure, allowing fuel from the wings to flow. > > > > Soo, if it works for Boeing, it should work for a rotary, right? I figur= e > in this case, fuel lines would join together at some point with check val= ves > to prevent back-pressurizing the tank that's not being used. Switching > tanks would be a simple matter of turning one pump on, and the other pump > off. For simplicity, I'm only planning on return fuel to one tank. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Brooks > > RV-7 -- Wiring up the EC2 for the engine's first run! > > > > Rent our "Sky's Landing" Beach House direct from us and save! > > Need a vacation? see http://vrbo.com/210620 > > > > > > --=20 Blake C. Lewis