Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #44211
From: Richard Sohn <res12@fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: single rotor performance
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:17:01 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I think there are a few things that need clarification.
 
The lower RPM runs were not WOT! I just recorded those on the way up to WOT, all at the same prop pitch. Meaning the only significant data point is at 6000RPM, which I consider about static. For that reason, the power level at those lower RPM are more reflecting the prop power demand than anything else.
 
As to the RPM difference, It may have been 100 or 150 RPM higher on the long runner than on the short one(tach reading a bit iffy). There is some thing else I ran into. All previous tests I ran with the prop showed some intermittent prop noise, seemingly influenced by the wind condition at testing time. This noise is very stady with the long runner. It is acoustically so strong you think it is going to blow your brains out. I could barely stand it until the fuel flow meter stabilized.
I have observed that phenomenon with the same type or prop on the SOOB at static runups. It seems that the increased power produced with the long runner is consumed by a sudden drag increase in the prop. This prop may just not be suitable for that kind of tests.
I will do further tests with different prop pitch, where the noise issue is one thing I want to find out more.
I may have to look for another prop.
 
The MP is measured at the same location in both cases, about 1" from the rotor housing. The pressure is picked up through a .035 hole. I guess I should have said "MP" and not "MAP", sorry for that.
 
 
Generally I am not very inclined to do a lot more basic performance tests since the engine is already producing way more power than my test bed needs for flying.
But that may change as I get further down the road.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: single rotor performance

Sounds good Richard.  But what about RPM delta at full throttle between the two different runner lengths?  That is the acid test for HP increase (with a prop load).  You are in the best possible position to test different runner lengths with that single runner manifold.  I give a lot to see a performance curve plot of different runner lengths in increments of 1" between 8 and 24".


I'm surprised you saw a significant difference in MP.  Where did you have the tap?  If it is in the runner I suspect you may be seeing velocity effects.  I know you are aware of the importance of dynamic and static pressure in this situation so I was wondering how you arrived at the total pressure.

Also surprised that the long runner did not cause any idle problems when using a carb.  With the evaporative cooling in the runner, they sometimes freeze up and condensation of the mixture happens which can cause rough idle.  The 2000 rpm idle helps there I guess.

Tracy

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Richard Sohn <res12@fairpoint.net> wrote:
Another step in the right direction.
 
In deciding which way to go with the intake for the single rotor, I ran two tests. The first one with a short 8" long intake runner, and a second one with a 24" runner.
The results are certainly not surprising, however, I had to check the possible impact on idle characteristic.
Except for a different idle mixture setting, I was not able to detect a difference in idle characteristics at 2000RPM. There is no need for lower idle with a 3.33 : 1 gear ratio. If for any reason I want to go lower with idle, I would have to increase the fly wheel inertia. With no load on the engine it idles down to 1300RPM with the 8" runner.
The long runner also resulted in a 1" higher MAP over the short runner.
 
The 24" runner as shown in the picture will in the final configuration be at least 3" longer, because the carb has to com lower than it is now.
 
The engine config is 12A rotor and housing using 1 1/2" p-port.
 
The HP calculation is based on a bsfc of .5 . This is probably conservative with EGT at 1700F and mixture ratio at 14.6 .
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U

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