X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3248549 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:12:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.122; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20081101011140.BCGU24054.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:11:40 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Alcoholic Rotary Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:11:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ack7uswL9YAbojucRzia772l46iNcwAAkQQA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20081101011140.BCGU24054.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> Don't know the answer to all your question, Bob. But gasoline and ethanol weight about the same per gallon or around 6 lbs (perhaps a bit more). The combustible energy content of 1 lb of gasoline is around 20,000 BTU, the energy of ethanol is around 12,800 BTU. So assuming the combust similarly for the same fuel burn rate, you would get approx 12,800/20,000 = 64% of the power compared to using gasoline. I'm not certain whether the amount of oxygen required to combust 1 lb of ethanol is the same as gasoline, but I would assume about the same. So your power (and range) would be adversely affected - however, if 64% of the power is sufficient to safely fly and you are not concerned about range and if the ethanol is the right price - there might be a place for it. I have no idea what unburnt ethanol being dumped into the oil sump would have, but since they use nitromethane in racing, I would assume no drastic effects. There have been reports of adverse effects of auto gas with ethanol on certain polymers used in aircraft seals and "O" rings, so I would use those types that are approved for auto use. Lynn can probably provide more insight to the use of such "alternative" fuels. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:42 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Alcoholic Rotary This subject probably has been hashed around on this list before, but I will ask it again. What might be the estimated power output of the 13B be burning only Ethanol, and what other alteration would need to be preformed other than what are already preformed? I know the concerns about the effects of Ethanol on hoses and other flexible ancillaries. The reason that I am even thinking of running the engine on ethanol is there might be some federal money out there for R&D passed out through one of the local Universities. Just thinking about my piece of the pie. :>) Bob Perkinson RV-9 N68RP Reserved -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com