X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: <alventures@cox.net> Received: from fed1rmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.241.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3231832 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:41:28 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.45; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081021044051.DKSX6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:40:51 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([72.192.137.74]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id VGgq1a00L1cVYgg04GgqXK; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:40:50 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aqmzCw2Kk-oA:10 a=OOMK1h3CBdYA:10 a=x8PezN58QPq_jVjkIj8A:9 a=5fdmpKhjFgtfiZymQvYA:7 a=0BSu6rhAso_TnROU5HZX4PcTySsA:4 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 a=JlAVf6_HogrmX0HsTO0A:9 a=84m5aCXB8XR20BQ-QGgA:7 a=c4zjI0DtFG9ZmG8UvkEyEPQJ12UA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures@cox.net> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Water in Fuel?? (or another adventure in the aviation events of Ed Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <DB3D27D1FE2F4BB3B41FD0E45F7EF8C8@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C932FC.C1030DC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <list-3231612@logan.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C932FC.C1030DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I think your analysis makes lots of sense for a gravity fed fuel system (i.e. no pumps). However, I would think that the EFI pumps would churn the water and fuel together pretty thoroughly.=20 Yes the pump will mix it up pretty well; but it will separate out again = in the line..=20 =20 In any case, I did use some auto gas back a couple of flights ago and = did not like it. The engine had a bit of a miss - nothing bad, but just noticeable - could have been the plugs needing a change to be fair It seems to me this is unlikely an effect of using mogas. Running my = engine on the dyno showed a very slight improvement in performance with 87 = octane mogas over 100LL. I think the theory was faster propagation of the = flame front in the odd-shaped combustion chamber. And as you know, the lead = is no friend to the spark plugs. =20 Al =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C932FC.C1030DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Verdana; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Nimrod; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 1 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Nimrod;} p {margin-right:0in; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle19 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.EmailStyle20 {font-family:Verdana; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 62.3pt 1.0in 62.3pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> </head> <body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>John, I think = your analysis makes lots of sense for a gravity fed fuel system (i.e. no pumps). However, I would think that the EFI pumps would churn the = water and fuel together pretty thoroughly. </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span = style=3D'font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Yes the pump will mix it up = pretty well; but it will separate out again in the line.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>. </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></fo= nt></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In any case, I = did use some auto gas back a couple of flights ago and did not like it. = The engine had a bit of a miss – nothing bad, but just noticeable = – could have been the plugs needing a change to be fair</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span = style=3D'font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>It seems to me this is unlikely = an effect of using mogas. Running my engine on the dyno showed a very = slight improvement in performance with 87 octane mogas over 100LL. I = think the theory was faster propagation of the flame front in the odd-shaped = combustion chamber. And as you know, the lead is no friend to the spark = plugs.</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span = style=3D'font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'> </span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span = style=3D'font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Al</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C932FC.C1030DC0--