X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.8) with ESMTP id 3203506 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:19:23 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.53; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from fwebmail09.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.109]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20081007191844H030024u3te>; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:18:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.127.218.109] Received: from [64.250.199.231] by fwebmail09.isp.att.net; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:18:44 +0000 From: "Kelly Troyer" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Dyke Delta flying. Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:18:44 +0000 Message-Id: <100720081918.25061.48EBB6120008DB06000061E522218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF019D9B040A05@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 16 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25061_1223407124_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25061_1223407124_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ernest, I cannot get my mind around your layup of the top of your cowl........You used the nylon for peel ply (just where you would make additional lay-ups or all over the top lay-up??)........Also just what was the function of the sleeping bag ??.....I presume it was under the 2 mil vacuum bag....What was between sleeping bag and the sticky resin ??............<:) -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from Ernest Christley : -------------- > Lynn Hanover wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-qSl0yQ4pY > > > > Here is a film of a Dyke flying, if you have never seen one. I have the > > plans and have welded a bit on one but never had the nerve to start to > > build. I have a BD-4 kit. > > > > Did you make a set of molds for your cowl. Or is the buck the cowl? > > > > Lynn E. Hanover > > > > > The buck is it. In the top pictures, I have the top and nosebowl done. > Yesterday, I got it propped up on one side to do the bottom half. The > buck is blue, because tape, which I'm using as a mold release, would not > stick to the lightweight spackling that I used to shape the mold. The > blue was the ugliest re-decorating leftover that was in the basement. > > So far, this is probably the best composite work I've done. I got > rip-stop nylon from Wal-Mart. They had 60" wide for $1/yd. After three > layers of 8oz glass and then the peel ply, I laid on an old sleeping > bag. Having older kids does have its benefits. This bag had a Batman > motif. That could have possibly been a benefit. Not sure. > > I stuck the end of my shop-vac on it, the tip covered with a piece of > corrugated cardboard. The vac will suck the thin plastic in if you > don't do that, but it will suck plenty of air through the cardboard. > Covered it all with 2mil plastic. Taped the edges down with packing tape. > > You need to use a wet-dry vac for this. Many vacs use the sucked air > for cooling. My wet-dry shop vac has separate vents for this. I > switched the vac on and let it sit for about 1.5 hours. I'm using MGS > epoxy with the fast hardener (the slow hardener cost to much to ship for > the small jobs I have left), so 1.5 hour is enough to get a set > analogous to hard taffy. Went and watched the Iron Man movie. > Question. Would one need a multi-engine rating to fly with hand > thrusters? Hmm? Inquiring minds want to know. Came back, turned the > vacuum off and went to bed. > > Pulled everything off the next morning. The sleeping bag is usable > again. The rip-stop peel-ply came up easier than anything I've ever > used. It was just as hard to pull off, but it didn't come apart as I > was pulling it. Once it was all exposed, I was VERY happy with the results. > > OK. I'll stop rambling now. > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25061_1223407124_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25061_1223407124_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25061_1223407124_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ernest,
     I cannot get my mind around your layup of the= top of your cowl........You
used the nylon for peel ply (just where you would make additional lay-= ups or
all over the top lay-up??)........Also just what was the function of t= he sleeping
bag ??.....I presume it was under the 2 mil vacuum bag....What was bet= ween
sleeping bag and the sticky resin ??............<:)
 
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_1= 3B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d



 
-------------- Original message from Ernest Christley <ec= hristley@nc.rr.com>: --------------


> Lynn Hanover wrote:=
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5-qSl0yQ4pY
> > <= BR>> > Here is a film of a Dyke flying, if you have never seen one. I= have the
> > plans and have welded a bit on one but never had th= e nerve to start to
> > build. I have a BD-4 kit.
> > <= BR>> > Did you make a set of molds for your cowl. Or is the buck the = cowl?
> >
> > Lynn E. Hanover
> >
> &g= t;
> The buck is it. In the top pictures, I have the top and nosebow= l done.
> Yesterday, I got it propped up on one side to do the botto= m half. The
> buck is blue, because tape, which I'm using as a mold = release, would not
> stick to the lightweight spackling that I used = to shape the mold. The
> blue was the ugliest re-decorating leftover= that was in the basement.
>
> So far, this is probably the b= est composite work I've done. I got
> rip-stop nylon from Wal-Mart. = They had 60" wide for $1/yd. After three
> layers of 8oz glass and t= hen the peel ply, I laid on an old sleeping
> bag. Having older kids= does have its benefits. This bag had a Batman
> motif. That could h= ave possibly been a benefit. Not sure.
>
> I stuck the end of= my shop-vac on it, the tip covered with a piece of
> corrugated car= dboard. The vac will suck the thin plastic in if you
> don't do that= , but it will suck plenty of air through the cardboard.
> Covered it= all with 2mil plastic. Taped the edges down with packing tape.
> > You need to use a wet-dry vac for this. Many vacs use the sucked air=
> for cooling. My wet-dry shop vac has separate vents for this. I <= BR>> switched the vac on and let it sit for about 1.5 hours. I'm using M= GS
> epoxy with the fast hardener (the slow hardener cost to much to= ship for
> the small jobs I have left), so 1.5 hour is enough to ge= t a set
> analogous to hard taffy. Went and watched the Iron Man mov= ie.
> Question. Would one need a multi-engine rating to fly with han= d
> thrusters? Hmm? Inquiring minds want to know. Came back, turned = the
> vacuum off and went to bed.
>
> Pulled everythin= g off the next morning. The sleeping bag is usable
> again. The rip-= stop peel-ply came up easier than anything I've ever
> used. It was = just as hard to pull off, but it didn't come apart as I
> was pullin= g it. Once it was all exposed, I was VERY happy with the results.
> =
> OK. I'll stop rambling now.
>
> --
> Homepage= : http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancair= online.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html
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