X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.78.26] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3118789 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:16:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.78.26; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so614868eya.25 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=kTiYAjE8pfRe/1vjDZ4GfSitLv1echU0SXHl6cIXsf8=; b=IFJVA2NGCuxMBZ1tU+CdOJm/d2fHj0Wqd29WXoKg8QCHObu5rgLjOdhCUo9XzNZ+CK pUdAoRGtYLfZSBa4h5WK27maU+shu9ffkXphk4dCydakC5QVdM1eB2NfMzzdkUe+uXBU gbV3PO6PAmJRPZYMitJRTxrytJYJoA0AVuezU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=L7w+dc068X/JeSgn5Yv52uWAj/hnLwAYVEXeSDN8j+vkO/SZ7vTbyvlaM/wK8NcKg6 FSbUQYtCSGkXB8OgAhc5rIxkadAvC/FTQrPz+g+Dv99TXMKJbBSqxblT2P34XjLWZ9ck icvJUCSHoIh4y0722ruaHQf5VdiIZVTV1ucA0= Received: by 10.210.17.14 with SMTP id 14mr17904187ebq.1.1220832943618; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.24.6 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5cf132c0809071715w4ea6d21n42861e62c0083bc1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:15:43 -0500 From: "Mark Steitle" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Starter motors In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83002_31139448.1220832943609" References: ------=_Part_83002_31139448.1220832943609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline George, Yes, you can adapt most anything to most anything. I just decided to tackle another problem and accept the weight of the Mazda starter. Of course, there's nothing keeping me from taking on the lighweight starter project later on down the road. For now, I'm having too much fun flying my rotary. Mark S. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:48 PM, George Lendich wrote: > Mark, > I missed the photo, as I do sometimes. Your right about the mounting. I > would probably just have a spacer for depth adjustment of the starter and > another plate to support the snout of the starter. Possibly bolted through > the same holes. Anything can be done. > You might notice I have eyebrow stand offs to support the starter on my > bellhousing, which are more than sufficient. These stand offs are made high > to accommodate different length of starters. > George ( down under) > > George, > My comments were a little "tongue-in-cheek". If you look at the 2nd > picture that Michael sent (the one I referred to in my previous posting), > you can see that the adapter plate has been cut to allow the starter to be > slipped in from the side. Normally, you will find starters fastened from > the other side. > > On my application, I had spent much time and effort to build a new adapter > plate in order to relocate the starter to the 9 o'clock position. I didn't > want to cut it up to fit a starter that I wasn't sure would spin a 20B. > Besides, I believe the starter is designed to have the load carried by the > starter casting around the large mounting hole, not the two mounting bolt > ears. So, I decided to go ahead and pay the weight penalty and use the > stock Mazda starter. However, I would be interested to hear if someone has > used the ND starter on a 20B. > > Mark > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM, George Lendich wrote: > >> Mark, >> Haven't seen the picture, but I've gone from needing to have exactly the >> right amount of stand off for the starter motor to realizing you can mount >> just about anything to anything provided the gears mesh and it has >> sufficient sizing - torque, power sun gear. >> The starter snout is probably put into the hole and supported by an >> appropriate internal spacer, which is itself bolted to the plate. >> Just a matter of imagination >> George (down under) >> >> Michael, >> I bought one of the ND starters and didn't use it because the snout was >> too short to reach the ring gear. If you notice the picture titled >> "Surpluscenter dot com12VDC NIPPENSENSO.jpg", you'll see that the starter is >> mounted on the inside of the adapter plate. My guess is this was done to >> get the starter gear to mesh with the flywheel ring gear. Maybe I should >> try mounting mine that way too. Only problem might be getting the big end >> through the little hole. >> >> Mark S. >> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: >> >>> Folks: >>> >>> Perusing through my saved pictures I found these 3 photos. >>> >>> Anyone know who they belong to? as I am in need of some advise. >>> >>> Can anyone confirm if the Nippondenso 028000-344-1 stater is readily >>> interchangeble with the 86-88 Mazda starter that is recomented for the >>> RD-1C >>> redrive? >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >>> >> > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > ------=_Part_83002_31139448.1220832943609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
George,

Yes, you can adapt most anything to most anything.  I just decided to tackle another problem and accept the weight of the Mazda starter.  Of course, there's nothing keeping me from taking on the lighweight starter project later on down the road.  For now, I'm having too much fun flying my rotary. 

Mark S.

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:48 PM, George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Mark,
I missed the photo, as I do sometimes. Your right about the mounting. I would probably just have a spacer for depth adjustment of the starter and another plate to support the snout of the starter. Possibly bolted through the same holes. Anything can be done.
You might notice I have eyebrow stand offs to support the starter on my bellhousing, which are more than sufficient. These stand offs are made high to accommodate different length of starters.
George ( down under)
George,
My comments were a little "tongue-in-cheek".  If you look at the 2nd picture that Michael sent (the one I referred to in my previous posting), you can see that the adapter plate has been cut to allow the starter to be slipped in from the side.  Normally, you will find starters fastened from the other side.

On my application, I had spent much time and effort to build a new adapter plate in order to relocate the starter to the 9 o'clock position.  I didn't want to cut it up to fit a starter that I wasn't sure would spin a 20B.  Besides, I believe the starter is designed to have the load carried by the starter casting around the large mounting hole, not the two mounting bolt ears.  So, I decided to go ahead and pay the weight penalty and use the stock Mazda starter.  However, I would be interested to hear if someone has used the ND starter on a 20B. 

Mark

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:29 PM, George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Mark,
Haven't seen the picture, but I've gone from needing to have exactly the right amount of stand off for the starter motor to realizing you can mount just about anything to anything provided the gears mesh and it has sufficient sizing - torque, power sun gear.
The starter snout is probably put into the hole and supported by an appropriate internal spacer, which is itself bolted to the plate.
Just a matter of imagination
George (down under)
Michael,
I bought one of the ND starters and didn't use it because the snout was too short to reach the ring gear.  If you notice the picture titled "Surpluscenter dot com12VDC NIPPENSENSO.jpg", you'll see that the starter is mounted on the inside of the adapter plate.  My guess is this was done to get the starter gear to mesh with the flywheel ring gear.  Maybe I should try mounting mine that way too.  Only problem might be getting the big end through the little hole.
 
Mark S. 

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net> wrote:
Folks:

Perusing through my saved pictures I found these 3 photos.

Anyone know who they belong to? as I am in need of some advise.

Can anyone confirm if the Nippondenso 028000-344-1 stater is readily
interchangeble with the 86-88 Mazda starter that is recomented for the RD-1C
redrive?

Michael

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