X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTPS id 3116789 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:17:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.182; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-70-177.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.70.177]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m866GcLR018661 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:16:39 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c90fe8$23092140$6400a8c0@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: New rotary engine-mazda points on design Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:16:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080905-0, 05/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Ernest, Very true mate, to me high pressure in a cowl is my concern - paint me paranoid. If we could have low pressure injection I would be most appreciative, but sadly the carby is 'old hat' now. The Bendix type systems are about 30 psi - not too bad! Are they really going to have ceramic coatings on the side housings? George ( down under) > George Lendich wrote: >> Jim, >> The biggest volume is at BDC- anything past this is compression, it's not >> getting high until it goes past the inlet area; but it certainly is quite >> high at the 12:00 O'clock position where the direct injection is taking >> place. >> Direct Injection has to be high to atomize the fuel particles finely >> enough to get complete combustion. Of course it has to be high to also >> counter the compression pressure at this stage. >> George ( down under) > But, George, "high" is a relative term. We run our fuel system on the > road anywhere from 30 to 60 psi. That 60 seems awfully high; but the > natural gas in the portable tank that I buy from the grocery store to fire > by BBQ grill comes with 300psi. That's what it takes to make natural gas > a liquid at room temperatures. And that crazy guy, T. Boon Pickens, is > trying to convince us Americans to run our cars on that same natural gas > (actually, many are doing it already). At a 10:1 compression ratio, > ambient pressure is driven to 147 psi. You still only need 60 above that > to get the good atomization. Yet, you can buy tanks from the GROCERY > STORE compressed to 300. > > Granted, the BBQ grill doesn't get the same sort of vibrations as a car > (unless I've got the burgers REALLY flying), but that is just a matter of > engineering the connectors to handle the stress. Simple engineering that > has been done a gazillion times before (see diesel engine). I'm not > saying they don't have some engineering and testing to do. I'm just > saying that they're not having to blaze new trails into unknown territory. > This seems to me to be very much a small evolutionary step, and not a > major revolutionary one. > > -- > > http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html