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Not enough.  There is more than you might think to FWF weight.  Something
like 345 - 385 lbs FWF should be in the ball park. For instance,  a CS prop
alone is more than 60 lbs.

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:47 PM, George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>wrote:

>  Thanks Tracy,
> I will put this aside for future reference. Do you think as a rule of thumb
> an additional 60 lbs is too much for everything else.
>
> Now can you tell me what the RV6 or 7 allows for firewall forward?
> George (down under)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:28 AM
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Comparisons
>
>  Here are RAW engine weights for a few Lycs.  Note that this is bare bones
> without starter, alternator or other accessories and oil.   Hope formatting
> is not too scrambled in cyberspace.
>
> Tracy
>
> >                     Lycoming
> >      Model                  HP      Lbs     BSFC at rated HP
>
> >     O-290-D2C           140      263     0.53
> >     O-320-A2B           150      272     0.55
> >     O-320-A2C           150      271     0.55
> >     O-320-B2C           160      277     0.58
> >     O-320-D2A           160      277     0.58
> >     O-320-E2A           160      277     0.58
> >     IO-320-B1A          160      285     0.56
> >     IO-320-C1A          160      294     0.54
> >     IO-320-E2A          150      280     0.54
> >     O-360-A1D           180      284     0.63
> >     O-360-A3A           180      285     0.63
> >     IO-360-A1A          200      320     0.63
> >     IO-360-B1B          180      295     0.61
> >     IMO-360-B1B        225      274     0.82
> >     GO-480-B1D         270      432     0.63
> >     GO-480-G1D6       295      437     0.68
> >     IGO-480-A1B6       295      469     0.63
> >     IGSO-480-A1F6     340      498     0.68
> >     O-540-A1A5          250      396     0.63
> >     O-540-B2B5          235      395     0.59
> >     O-540-B4B5          235      395     0.59
> >     O-540-B4B5          260      398     0.65
> >     IO-540-A1A5         290      437     0.66
> >     IO-540-C4B5         250      402     0.62
> >     IO-540-D4A5         260      402     0.65
> >     IO-540-E1A5         290      437     0.66
> >     IO-540-G1A5         290      443     0.65
> >     IO-540-J4A5         250      409     0.61
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:41 PM, George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>wrote:
>
>>  Hello Chaps,
>> Can anyone give me the firewall weight of the Lycoming or Continental 180
>> hp engines.
>> TIA
>> George (down under)
>>
>
>

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<div dir="ltr">Not enough.&nbsp; There is more than you might think to FWF weight.&nbsp; Something like 345 - 385 lbs FWF should be in the ball park.&nbsp;For instance,&nbsp;&nbsp;a CS prop alone is more than 60 lbs.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:47 PM, George Lendich <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lendich@optusnet.com.au">lendich@optusnet.com.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thanks Tracy,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I will put this aside for future reference. Do you think as a rule of thumb an additional 60 lbs is too much for everything else.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Now can you tell me what the RV6 or 7 allows for firewall forward?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">George (down under)</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="tracy@rotaryaviation.com" href="mailto:tracy@rotaryaviation.com" target="_blank">Tracy Crook</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="flyrotary@lancaironline.net" href="mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target="_blank">Rotary motors in aircraft</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:28 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [FlyRotary] Re: Comparisons</div>
<div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here are RAW engine weights for a few Lycs.&nbsp; Note that this is bare bones without starter, alternator or other accessories&nbsp;and oil.&nbsp;&nbsp; Hope formatting is not too scrambled in cyberspace.</span></div>

<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tracy</span></div>
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lycoming<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Model&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lbs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BSFC at rated HP<br><br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-290-D2C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 140&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 263&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.53<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-320-A2B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 150&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 272&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.55<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-320-A2C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 150&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 271&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.55<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-320-B2C&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 277&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.58<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-320-D2A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 277&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.58<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-320-E2A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 277&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.58<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-320-B1A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 285&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.56<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-320-C1A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 160&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 294&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.54<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-320-E2A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 150&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 280&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.54<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-360-A1D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 180&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 284&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-360-A3A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 180&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 285&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-360-A1A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 200&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 320&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-360-B1B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 180&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 295&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.61<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IMO-360-B1B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;225&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 274&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.82<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GO-480-B1D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;270&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 432&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GO-480-G1D6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;295&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 437&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.68<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IGO-480-A1B6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 295&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 469&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IGSO-480-A1F6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 340&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 498&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.68<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-540-A1A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 396&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.63<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-540-B2B5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 235&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 395&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.59<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-540-B4B5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 235&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 395&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.59<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O-540-B4B5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 260&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 398&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.65<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-A1A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 290&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 437&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.66<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-C4B5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 402&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.62<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-D4A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 260&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 402&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.65<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-E1A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 290&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 437&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.66<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-G1A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 290&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 443&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.65<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IO-540-J4A5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 250&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 409&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.61<br><br></span><br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:41 PM, George Lendich <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lendich@optusnet.com.au" target="_blank">lendich@optusnet.com.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello Chaps,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Can anyone give me the firewall weight of the Lycoming or Continental 180 hp engines.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">TIA</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">George (down under)</font></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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