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Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol production
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:57:32 -0800
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Mike;

Maybe the reason we haven't seen more car fires in CA is because there =
is no
ethanol in the fuel, unless you specifically go looking for it.  I have
tested Chevron, Shell, and ARCO regulars for ethanol; and found none - - =
so
far.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Wills
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol production

Dale,

 Off topic - we are sort of in the same neighborhood. Although I =
currently=20
live in San Diego I have property at Mogollon Airpark in Overgaard. Hope =
to=20
retire and permanently relocate up there in about 4 years.

There's an outside chance that I could get the RV-4 to the Copperstate=20
fly-in if my DAR will hustle up and do my airworthiness inspection (and =
I=20
dont have significant issues flying off my 40 hours).

Mike Wills

RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Dale Rogers" <dale.r@cox.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:36 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol production


> It was serious in that I currently drive about 25K miles per year,=20
> significantly down from the 48K that I was doing from 1980 through =
2005.=20
> Most of it, since 1995, has been in central Arizona (~100 mile radius =
of=20
> Phoenix), but I have regular occasion to service accounts further out, =

> like Bullhead City, Showlow, and Thatcher; plus I back up engineers in =

> Tucson and Las Vegas, NV.  Highway 17 (between Phoenix and Flagstaff) =
sees

> about half a dozen car fires a year.  The Phoenix area has seen at =
least=20
> two in the last eight weeks, one blocking I-10 this morning.
>
> Yes, I've seen far more car fires in Arizona in 13 years than I did in =
the

> previous 29 years in California, where, much of the time, I was =
driving=20
> more than twice as much.
>
> Dale R.
>
> Mike Wills wrote:
>> Not sure just how serious you were with that comment. To answer your=20
>> question, over the past several years I can recall seeing a grand =
total=20
>> of one car fire on the side of the road. I live in southern Cal and =
drive

>> about 20K miles/year. Given the number of cars I've seen on the road =
over

>> the past few years (probably hundreds of thousands if not millions)=20
>> versus the number of car fires I've seen (1) I like my statistical =
odds=20
>> in this unscientific analysis even if that one fire was related to=20
>> ethanol use (which obviously is not at all clear).
>>
>> Your own personal anecdotal fuel system issues while scary, have no=20
>> proven linkage to ethanol in the fuel used. Could simply be another=20
>> example of shoddy workmanship, poor engineering, or any of a thousand =

>> things. Too bad you couldnt recover the defective parts to come up =
with a

>> definitive explanation.
>>
>> Given the on the edge nature of the average rotary engine aircraft=20
>> installation, the small statistical base, and the relatively large =
number

>> of issues and teething troubles we see during early taxi and flight=20
>> testing, I think there are far more significant things to worry about =

>> than ethanol in the fuel.
>>
>> What I'd really like to see is some of the higher time guys (Tracy, =
Dave=20
>> Leonard, etc...) who routinely burn Mogas tells us what their =
experience=20
>> has been.
>>
>> Mike Wills
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Rogers" <dale.r@cox.net>
>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:07 AM
>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol production
>>
>>
>>> Mike Wills wrote:
>>>> I dont recall seeing scores of cars pulled over on the shoulder of =
the=20
>>>> road with failures directly attributable to ethanol use.
>>>
>>> You haven't?  I don't understand how you've missed them - the =
columns of

>>> black smoke should have pointed straight to them.
>>>
>>> Maybe you only drive at night?  |;)
>>>
>>> Okay, there was a bit of hyperbole there, but I can't help but =
wonder if

>>> the increased numbers of on-the-road car fires I'm seeing as I =
cruise=20
>>> the freeways of AZ and NV isn't due, in part, to alcohol.
>
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