George,
So would I. All good
questions, of which I have no answers.
I will say the air coming in a NACA scoop on a pusher is not very high
speed air. Other builders have put
tubes with airspeed indicators hooked to them, and the reading was much lower than
the indicated airspeed. About ¼ or
so as I recall.
I do have vortex generators ahead of the inlet scoop to help break up the
boundary layer air, and when I first installed them, I did get noticeable
improvement in cooling.
Perhaps a small camera inside the cowling could reveal the answers to
some of your questions. As long as
it doesn’t get sucked into the fan :>)
Steve
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf
Of George Lendich
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:03
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To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back in
the air
Steve,
I
thought that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. Does the fan free spin
when not engaged. Would that free spinning do the bearing in, in short order,
or does the air slow enough to limit overspinning.
Would
free spinning blades actually help the flow - would static blades restrict the
flow.
A lot
of questions to answer there Steve- personally I would love to know the
answers.
George (down
under)
George,
Actually
the fan is in between the air inlet, and the radiator, so it is pushing air
through the radiator. This is a
pusher airplane, and the inlet scoop is what they call a NACA scoop, but it
also has an extended lip, so not a true NACA.
Steve
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf
Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:22
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To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back in
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Steve,
Thanks for the photo and reply, yep it's a large fan, that's for
sure - I assume it's sucking on the Rad.
I was wondering if it wouldn't be better if a large fan was used
and it was blowing on the rad, and it was free wheeling when turned off - if (
in that case) the restriction would be less.
George ( down under)
George,
I had considered that. I would assume that there is definitely
some restriction caused by the fan, but I think that the benefits during
extended ground operation, and during climb, probably outweigh the downside. But, you are right. The only way to see how much, is to
remove it, and try a takeoff and climb without the fan. It would probably take about an hour to
remove the fan and get the plenum and cowlings reinstalled.
I will most likely do this,
but I think that I will fly it some more first, and get a good benchmark on the
current set up. Plus after 3 ½
months of down time, I just want to fly it some.
Regards,
Steve
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf
Of George Lendich
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:36
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To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back in
the air
Steve,
How large is the cooling fan, do you think it may be restrictive (
restrict air flow) in the low speed climb.
Another test would be to take out the fan and do another test and
you would have a better idea of what the advantages and disadvantages are.
George (down under)
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Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008
11:33 PM
Subject:
[FlyRotary] Back in the air
I’ve had my plane torn
apart for about 3 ½ months rebuilding the cooling system, in between vacation,
wife’s projects, and problems fitting in the radiator. I installed a custom made radiator,
replacing two evaporator cores that I was using. The evaporator cores provided only marginal cooling for the
turbo 13B, in a pusher aircraft
In order to install the new
radiator, I also had to relocate almost all of the fuel system components, and
I replaced the aluminum lines connecting the fuel pumps to filters to regulator
with SS braided AN hose/fittings.
Due to the extensive
changes, I had at least an hour, maybe hour and a half of ground testing,
including four high speed taxi’s up to rotate speed.
The new cooling system also
has a cooling fan which I was able to integrate into the plenum holding the
radiator. At 95 F degrees OAT, and
turning the fan on at about 190 F degrees coolant temperature, The fan
maintained 180 F for 20 minutes of ground operation, including some high power
testing.
This morning OAT was about
78 F, which is very good for North Carolina in August, I wanted something less than 95 F for
the first test of the new cooling system.
I did not use the cooling fan for taxi or takeoff, as I wanted to see
what the cooling was without the fan.
I took of and climbed up to about 1200’ AGL. The coolant was up to about 205, and oil at 185. I leveled off and reduced the throttle
to normal cruise power. I watched
the coolant temperature for a little while (maybe 15-20 seconds), and it seemed
to stay at the 205 F reading. I
wish now that I’d been a little more patient, but I kicked on the cooling fan,
and the temperature came down pretty quickly to slightly above 180 F. I turned the fan off again and the
temperature stayed right there. I
did power up and climb another 300 feet or so, but really didn’t push it too
hard on the first flight. The
temperature didn’t really move too much during the brief climb. All other systems ran perfectly and it
was a very nice flight. I did stay
within gliding distance of the runway the whole flight, but based on zero
squawks on this flight, the next one will be longer.
While I would like to have
seen a little better performance, I was happy with the improved cooling over
the old system. Climbing to
pattern altitude old the old system at today’s temperature would have been 215
– 220F. On the next flight, I’ll
take off using the cooling fan, and see what kind of numbers I get with
it. I hope to see something more
in the 185-190 range, but I’ll have to see what the real number are.
Steve Brooks
Cozy MKIV N75CZ
Turbo rotary