X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3017615 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:42:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080709104137.VAWP10970.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:41:37 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Saga vids on utube and MORE checking the basics Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:41:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8E18E.DAA17880" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcjhhxduwPS1KCZ/Tl6mVN2qz8LjsAAJ9pVg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Message-Id: <20080709104137.VAWP10970.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@computername> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8E18E.DAA17880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations on the progress on both the aircraft and career, Chris. What signal source are you using to drive your Tach? From the tailing coils? I presume. Not having a scope on the line, its hard to tell, but here are two possibilities. a. The pulsed tach signal from the coil is becoming distorted at higher rpm for some reason (Not too likely, but could happen) b. The Tach unit is failing to capture the higher rpm (pulse train frequency) properly. There are a number of different type inputs that Tachs have to match today. IF your tach is not designed for the specific type of pulse train put out by the rotary trailing coils, then it may not function properly. If you could borrow a scope and see what the signal looks like that could eliminate one possible cause. If it looks fairly clean and steady in frequency an amplitude then its likely a problem with the Tach. Check your Tach literature - there are some that require a different number of pulses per revolution out from the tach signal. I can not recall for certain, but it seems that the rotary puts out a two pulse per rev signal. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:45 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Saga vids on utube and MORE checking the basics Submitted for your consideration.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsndDKG1OuE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86fy3qNCVJs Right after both of these runs we discovered the reason for some of the roughness present in these runs. The nut holding the crank angle sensor was not tightened properly. GOTTA check the basics. DOH! That is me at the controls and my buddy, Russell, on cam. (he discovered the infinity focus feature just AFTER these videos were taken . He is actually the smartest guy I know. I am coming to the conclusion that many/most of my current concerns are electrically based. So, I will be running and checking wires AGAIN. I am really annoyed by the RPM indicator going to zero when I go over about 5400ish rpm (usually). I still have some power to go but do not know what I actually achieve. Actually, today, in the second video, it got to 5000 but then went to zero. When I backed off the throttle, it went to a couple erratic numbers then went back to normal Still lots more to discover and tweak. However, did you notice my plane is actually moving under its own power . Wow, who'd of thunk it. Oh, btw, on an unrelated note, I was promoted to corporal yesterday at work. (we only have corporal's and sergeants on the streets). FWIW. All the best, Chris Velocity SE N17010 New 2nd gen 13b turbo block, Medium street port,by Mazdatrix Mistral intake RWS 2.17 Redrive RWS EM2 RWS EC2 IVO in flight adjustable Magnum 3 blade prop Aeroelectic Z-14 duel alt/duel bat __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3254 (20080709) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8E18E.DAA17880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations on the progress on = both the aircraft and career, Chris.

 

What signal source are you using to = drive your Tach?  From the tailing coils? I = presume.

 

Not having a scope on the line, its = hard to tell, but here are two possibilities.

 

  1. The pulsed  tach signal from the coil is becoming distorted at = higher rpm for some reason (Not too likely, but could = happen)
  2. The Tach unit is failing to capture the higher rpm (pulse train = frequency) properly.  There are a number of different type inputs that = Tachs have to match today.  IF your tach is not designed for the = specific type of pulse train put out by the rotary trailing coils, then it = may not function properly.

 

If you could borrow a scope and see what = the signal looks like that could eliminate one  possible cause.  = If it looks fairly clean and steady in frequency an amplitude then its likely = a problem with the Tach.  Check your Tach literature – there = are some that require a different number of pulses per revolution out from the = tach signal.  I can not recall for certain, but it seems that the rotary = puts out a two pulse per rev signal. 

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com=

http://www.andersonee.com

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, = 2008 1:45 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Saga = vids on utube and MORE checking the basics

 

Submitted for your = consideration....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqsndDKG1OuE

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D86fy3qNCVJs


     Right after both of these runs we = discovered the reason for some of the roughness

     present in these runs.  The = nut holding the crank angle sensor was not tightened properly.  GOTTA check 

     the basics.  = DOH!


     That is me at the controls and my buddy, = Russell, on cam. (he discovered the infinity focus = feature

      just AFTER these videos were = taken <g>.  He is actually the smartest guy I know.

     I am coming to the conclusion that many/most of = my current concerns are
     electrically based.  So, I will be running = and checking wires AGAIN.  I
     am really annoyed by the RPM indicator going to = zero when I go over
     about 5400ish rpm (usually). I still have some = power to go but do not know what I
     actually achieve.  Actually, = today, in the second video, it got to 5000 but then went to = zero.  

     When I backed off the throttle, it went = to a couple erratic numbers then went back to normal

     Still lots more to discover and tweak.  = However, did you notice my plane
     is actually moving under its own power = <G>. Wow, who'd of thunk it.

     Oh, btw, on an unrelated note, I was promoted = to corporal yesterday at work.
     (we only have corporal's and sergeants on the streets).  FWIW.

     
     All the best,

     Chris
     Velocity SE = N17010
     New 2nd gen 13b turbo block,
     Medium street port,by Mazdatrix
     Mistral intake
     RWS 2.17 Redrive
     RWS EM2
     RWS EC2
     IVO in flight adjustable Magnum 3 blade = prop
     Aeroelectic Z-14 duel alt/duel = bat

 

&= nbsp;



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